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Nice job Mannerheim. I´m very pleased to see young people finding interest in world war 2. Keep up the good work! / Andreas, Sweden

Many posts from me here. I forgot to really novel classics. Väinö Linnas "soldier unknown" about the finsih wars during ww2. And Lothar Gunther Buchheims "das boot". Yes it´s better than the movie.

Speaking of Cross of Iron the movie. James Coburn died yesterday.

Hassels books always make me laugh. Some of them are so over exaggerated that you cant stop wondering if he just wrote it to get some money. Wheels of terror is of course a classic. But some of the rest LOL :cool:

I agree on Shirer. His books about the third reich is very good. Easy to read and focusing on the important. Its like a tale and you just can´t stop reading. I must have read about the war(part 3 and 4) atleast 10 times.

I believe that Lidell-Harts book "on the other side of the hill" should be on the list. It focus on interviews with german generals and their opinions of what really happened during the campaigns. Two books worth reding is Mansteins "verloene siege" and Guderians "panzerleader". Just don´t believe all they say in those...both wanted to justify themself and keep their reputations as unquestionable great commanders all the time

Whats all going on in this thread? I find it to be absolutely insane :confused:

About O´Connor there has been much debate concering his ability. I agree that he indeed was a great commander and maybe should be on the list.

Herman Hoth you say? Well 1st pz army under Kleist run the Rostov gauntlet and saved them self. But it was foremost Manstein that saved and stabilized the german front after Stalingrad.

Top 10...well ok I believe you have to rank them in both defence and offence to get a realistic rating. 10 points for the best one and then we get an overall rating. Unfortunately the lack of defensive operations for example Eisenhower gives him therefore a lower reating. Offensive capability; 10 p - Guderian(France 1940, Barbaross) 9 p -Manstein(Barbarossa, Crimea) 8 p - Rommel(France 1940, drive to egypt) 7 p - Patton(Especially france 1944) 6 p - Zhukov(Stalingrad, Bagration) 5 p - Eisenhower(Torch, D-day) 4 p - Konev(Ukraine 1943-1944) 3 p - Yama****a(Singapore) 2 p - Rundstedt(France, Barbarossa) 1 p - Yamamoto(eastfront) Defence; 10 p - Kesselring(Italy) 9 p - Zhukov(Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad) 8 p - Model(Bagration) 7 p - Manstein(Ukraine 1943-44, Kharkov-counter) 6 p - Mannerheim(Karelian isthmus) 5 p - Rommel(Tunisia and Lybia 1941-43) 4 p - Heinrici(Bagration, Seeluw heights) 3 p - Timoshenko 2 p - Guderian(1944-45 Eastfront) 1 p - Montgomery Top 10 Overall; 16 p - Manstein 15 p - Zhukov 13 p - Rommel 12 p - Guderian 10 p - Kesselring 10 p -Patton 8 p - Model 6 p - Mannerheim 4 p - Konev 4 p - Heinrici I would say that the top 6 is in correct order based on their achievements.

Better believe it Nippy. This is the best description of world war 2 war you ever gonna see. There is no glamour, no love story, no bull****. This is the reality, describing a real regiment and it´s gruelsome experiences. Finland has always produced hard and tough soldiers. Maybe because of the vast and unwelcoming country in which the people live. Through 17th and 18th century finnish troops(Finland belonged to Sweden until 1809) were known for their tenacity. Savolax, karelian and Tavaste-troops were ranked among the hardest in Europe.

Best scene must be when the soliders from Nurmo try to recapture the chrurch hill and are grind down. Marti and the few remnants of the regiment then watch the russian counteroffensive down the hill. The 15-20 finns on the flank just watch absoulutely stunned when 3000-4000 men comes charging.

Get it here; http://www.buyindies.com/listings/2/7/FCTS-27204.html http://www.memoriesoffinland.com/catalog.asp?category=29 You can get it from amazon too. The people who bought it there gave the following statements(everyone offering it 5/5 star rating also); -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Customer Reviews Commenting on Previous Review, July 20, 2002 Reviewer: Ensio N Mikkola (see more about me) from USA Indeed! When the Soviet juggernaut attacked tiny Finland, democracy itself was under attack. And the United States and Britain stood by and pledged "moral support"! Shame, shame on us and all the reason to obtain this little known film and watch it with our heads hung low. great movie, July 9, 2002 Reviewer: paul reithmayer from apache jct, az USA for all people who are for gun control should watch this movie,had the finnish not had the civilan guard the russians would have run right over them.to this day all people from the age of 18 to 52 must serve and keep weapons as i understand it.it's also a time in our history were we should hang our heads in shame because we stood by when they asked our help and we refused.a great movie for a courages country.my deepest respect to the finnish.i also recommend reading the book The Winter War A truly magnificent war film !!, June 10, 2002 Reviewer: Peter Viitanen from Honfleur, France During the war, I lived 6 miles from the village from which this regiment left for the front. Totally authentic! Watch especially for the 'good bye' scene at the railway station to get a sense of the undemonstrative Finnish mind-set. This movie is comparable in impact to Saving Private Ryan -- at 1/100th of the production cost. A real gem! Great!, April 28, 2002 Reviewer: Ensio N Mikkola (see more about me) from USA This is the best and most realistic war movie ever made. Buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it NOW! Note: You will enjoy this movie more if you speak Finnish. The subtitles fail to capture all the nuances of the language. So if you speak Finnish buy this movie, now, buy it now. Add this to your shopping cart. Saving Private who?

Thank you for regognizing winter war as the best movie. I´m absolutely stunned that so few have seen it. It´s a finish movie made in the 80´s, with no unecessary dramatizing just plain realism. This is THE BEST OF THE BEST WARMOVIE EVER MADE. BELIEVE IT guys. Buy it or get it from the internet. I just have it with swedish text but it should be an englishh version somewhere. TRUST ME THIS IS THE ONE.

The AI in strategic command has some flaws, but compared to that in COS its like being in heaven.

Seriously you mean that neither "Stalingrad" or "Das boot" gets a spot in your list??? Man you must high or something... Top 3 1. Pekka Parrikas "Winter war" The best warmovie ever made in my opinion. Absolutely chocking insight in the war in Finland 1939-40. 2. Das boot 3. Stalingrad (Only way you can rate this film lower than Enemy at the gates must be because you havent seen it yet) 4. Run silent, run deep 5. The thin red line

Hell no....no soup for you!!!!

And you should be able to build units with monsters hangin chainsaws from their balls

Question remain if Ribbentrop-Molotov pact would have been possible if France were attacked first. Without it an attack on the french surely would have ended in defeat. But I guess this wont happen in SC:s 1939 scenario.

What I really think is overrated is the importance of D-day. 10 000 americans die, horrible yes but comapre that with 1 300 000 casualties at Stalingrad. The proportions between Through the american domination of media and culture people recognize USA and west to be the ones who truly won WW2 in Europe. Yes USA won the war BUT they were not the reason that Germany broke down. If we skip the pointless debate of wether or not the Soviet union could have won the war on it´s own lets us be clear with the fact where Germany suffered most casualties. The disasters of the east front remain the primary reason that Germany lost the war. Soviet union crushed the mainstand of the wehrmacht in less than 3 years, when west entered france in june 1944, Germany was already incapable of winning the war.

Germans overrated. Well definately not at operational level. You believe blitzkrieg-performance to be overrated? Rapid victories with limited resources not fall down from the sky you know....

I managed to find a version that runs under xp...no sound though. But this game is out of date so don´t bother. Enjoy SC instead and buy Hearts of Iron next week to support the swedish computer gaming industry.

It should take long as hell to get the game. Those who cant wait were not worth this god sent product anyway... **** you I-am-a strategi-command-grognard-wannbe!!!! :mad:

Playing Clash of steel you could win the 1944 scenario playing axis. That was pretty weird.

Depends on which litterature you read. I try to read as much as possible about WW2(done so for 15 years) from diffrent views and this is my conclusion: The Battle of Britain was primary decided by use of radar, and a bad handling of the luftwaffe. I agree that ww2 history in some parts still today is blurred in what really happened. However I find the Battle of britain to be well studied and analyzed. If you look beside english propaganda which was needed due to one year of set backs you will find that my statement above very much sums it up. Please show me something that can verify your theory. regards / Andreas