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For those of you looking for some online Shock Force you are welcome to join CMSF hamachi network. Hamachi is free and easy to use and we can turn it into a kind of lobby/chat room. Find it here: http://hamachi.en.softonic.com/ *network name: gdogcmsf *password: cmsf

What about the Storm Of war: Battle of Britain PC sequel? I see some graphics in those screens that remind me of some early terrain shots. And all these delays...hope they didnt dump the pirate friendly PC version and moved to consoles. God no...

I'm hoping a big effort would be put in creating the environments. I have no worries about the vehicles. Should be up to the superb standards of CMSF. But I'm hoping terrain would be at the same quality. Things I want to see: -Shaded doodads. Tall Grass maps in CMSF look weird with no shading due to this shortcoming of the graphical engine. - More natural looking trees. More volume, more varied sizes and angles among same types (eg tall pines in the game are uniform looking). Also tree shadows drawn to greatest distances. - More atmospheric buildings/ flavor objects. A pansion, a cafe, a gas station, an industrial building or at least some facade textures that are less generic. Keep the awesome customization of current editor and add a couple characteristic facades/buildings. Some cosmetic additions, like hay stacks, carts, wells, hanged clothes and things that remind us that we fight in a living world. And roofs with chimneys - Some default distance fog and an enhancment in distinguishing elevations by adding a kind of secondary lighting or haze on lower grounds. -Would be also cool if we could have varied and moving fog clouds. No LOS effects, just a visual thing. Or some leafs falling and drifting with the wind. - Waterfalls....ok just kidding

Hi, have a look here: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=83994&page=2&highlight=hamachi Its free and easy to use and it displays your Hamachi IP, so one can connect instantly.

I really hope they fix the lag in the editor when zommed out. So many patches but making big maps is still a pain.

Since it will take some special care to code, will we see something close to the levels of IL-2 engine, with reflections, motion etc, or is this too much to ask? I think water will be a significant boost in aesthetic quality of the game if done right.

Hi, try our CMSF hamachi network.. http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=83994&page=2&highlight=hamachi

I like the fact that now you can use every inch of the terrain for cover/concealment, unlike CMx1 where tree bases were mandatory as advance routes and defensive positions. I cant remember playing anything less than moderate/heavy trees. However trees in CMSF are a bit confusing in cover/concealment because of the 1:1 modelling. I cant figure LOS and concealment easily and this must be the only part I miss abstractions. Sometimes, when playing RT it is difficult to be down there and ensure your troops are behind the right tree. Is some kind of underbrush effect modelled in woods or tree crowns are exactly "what you see is what you get"?

So another 4 months of waiting? I thought it was less time between the marines announcment and the release. A great looking module btw and a nice upgrade to balanced Blue vs Blue battles. About the title..hmmm. I imagined a better sounding one like "Monty Python and the holy action spot" or something

I would too like to see Flaks back. Or at least AA mgs from tanks, vehicles trying to defend theirselves. Ranges should be closer than in CMSF, it would not be that unrealistic I think. 3d planes might be too much to ask though. I'm pretty certain bridges will be in.

Apocal, For me late german squads are less fun to play, simply because of the less need of combined arms. Too much concentrated firepower. I'm not expert on the matter but I suspect they were forced to do this due to lack of other support units, tanks, artillery, etc etc. CMSF magnitudes this by a certain factor. It is a personal thing maybe but I find it more intriguing to play a stug, a panzer IV and a Hummel combined than an Abrams that can pretty much do all the work the above three can do seperately. Its like watching football with 22s Maradona clones. Some may find it exciting but personally I find it a bit uninteresting. Despite this I still enjoy CMSF. I mostly play Red on Red though, which lacks a bit atmosphere and makes me think I'm in the middle of some army drills not really caring about the bigger picture. If someone can point me some QB setups for a good H2H RedvsBlue battle I would be grateful.

You missed the point by a mile. What game I am playing? Do you deny the fact that a Marines squad with javelins and arty support can dominate the battlefield in the game without the *real* need of anything else? You said it yourself that an MG42 can pop up on two legs in this game and this explains my point that units lose their distinctive role in a modern setting, a thing that I find boring. Its like playing chess with 32 Queens. In the Normandy title, in order to have the firepower of a modern squad I will need a) a rifle squad b)an SMG squad c)an LMG/HMG team d)a bazooka team e)a light mortar team f)an AT gun g)an artillery FO. I didnt say its the game's fault. These are the-for me- drawbacks of a contemporary setting.

Hah..nice one Sergei Dude, sorry, not an enlgish speaker..what do you mean by "goal posts going supersonic"? Hyperbole?? Just curious.

I mean a real mod, not adding an extra hatch on the turret I know there are some out there but you just cant compare them to the vast variety of ww2 camos. Really hope BFC includes some kind of multi-skinning for the Normandy release.

So many reasons WW2>Syrian for a tactical wargame. I needed and wanted the shift to a modern setting but now I'm ready to go back Tank battles suck in CMSF. Its overkill and they are over in a matter of seconds. I miss the gripping >1 min duels from CMx1. I tend to play only inf battles in CMSF because I dislike everything from ATGMs to auto-cannons. Too accurate and fast. You may have more toys in a contemporqary setting but they all more or less behave the same. Also infantry squads like the marines or javelin equipped army units pretty much own everything in the battlefield to the point tanks, MGs, support become insignificant. Combined arms tactics are no longer a necessity.On the other hand a well positioned MG42 in a ww2 scenario will always be a puzzle to solve and thats the magic of the setting. Now you can just bring down the whole building with a 13 man squad and laught at it. Slower pace..atmosphere, balance..water! And so many modding opportunities. Not suprisingly, I havent seen a single tank mod for CMSF.

Its hard to win a war with one testicle. But maybe if he had both he would never bother starting WW2 anyway.

I hope this time modules will add new world objects along with the vehicles/troops. It would be cool to see more dutch looking buildings in the commonwealth expansion, autumn trees etc. Not that I can really tell a french cottage from a dutch one though

Never mind, it seems it doesnt like Google Chrome..I managed to download it with Firefox.

It seems I cant download anything from there. Once I get to the final d/l link I get a web page not found error. Any ideas? I'm registered, I suppose you can download for free a couple of files?

Have faith..they are the same guys that deconstructed our wonderful cherry picking QB system for the sake of realism remember?..just kidding But really there is no indication that they wont pay attention to historical accuracy. CMSF is based on a fictional conflict and yet we mostly get down to earth MOUT and asymmetrical warfare. I think Steve even mentioned that Tigers might not make it in the first release for historical reasons. Modules will be quite strict in time periods and equipment anyway.

Very nice indeed..thanks for posting.

Given the low art budget of CMSF and the flexibility of the map maker, graphs are actually really really good with a nicely balanced pallete and even a classy feel that I much prefer over the glossy World in Conflict visuals for instance. Any chance we will ever see the horizon blending with the table map in CM? I would like to see distance haze set as default feature that will help map edges blend with the rest of the world and even make elevations stand out more clear(eg a hill close to our POV will contrast with the hazy valley beyond it). Theatre of war has done it quite nicely with atmospheric depth of field, map edges extending beyond game area and landscapes flourishing with light. Its very pleasant to wander around the maps, they seem so real (Of course they had the Il-2 engine heritage). Generally I think TOW can give CMSF some ideas about world graphics with nicely detailed touches here and there. Hanged clothes, hay stacks, carts, interesting and varied buildings come to mind. CMSF 3d models are richly detailed but TOW's landscapes make you want to call some friends and lay down on the grass to have some picnic

Of course, flags are limited. I'm not against the new victory conditions by no means. It is just that flags make your goals intantly recognizable and add the wargame flavour back in the simulation. It was satisfying to see the flag changing colors, now you dont really grasp the importance of your goals. Also, the neon green painted area just doesnt fit to a WW2 era atmosphere imo. Blasphemy!

I thought the Niva was quite tough..no? And that is an ugly vehicle..where are those sexy russian curves?

Personally I cant go back to CMx1 style gameplay, no matter how infected I was back then. Its higly desirable for me thought to bring back those things you mentioned missing in CMx2. Sound contacts, misIDs, QBs, etc. I would even suggest a kind of CMx1 flag system for those quick games you dont really want to bother reading briefings but just have a clear indication of score and victory conditions that make the game a "fight till death" and much more gripping in head to head with objectives changing hands etc. It would look more "gamey" but I dont see the damage in the prestige of the simulation aspect of the game if the current more sophisticated system is also retained for scenario building. As a side note, generally making the rules of a game more complex dont necessarily make it better. Its simple rules+awesome gameplay that leads to success. Take for instance football. Two sides kicking a ball trying to put it past a line. Sounds dull in paper but in reality it is the most loved game in the planet. The more symmetrical and balanced WW2 with a return of a point system in QBs would make things much simpler for the average wargamer.