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I do think that it is perhaps daft to simply look at violent video games and ignore violent films and the numerous murders per hour on US TV. I am suggesting that there is a whole ethos of violence equals good viewing. I think there should be limits on murderous scenes and violence that people watch or engage in. There are many reasons: 1. In games the re-set button always gets you back to life. [Not so in CM : )] 2. Instils fear into people who have very very low odds of being murdered. 3. It keeps off the air more wholesome or useful programs 4. Shortened attention spans are not helpful to real life. 5. Violence is seen to resolve problems - unlike the real world However in terms of video games being generally harmless - how do you feel about this one? Admittedly nobody dies but it is violent.

Very pleasing for several reasons : )

At WeBoB we have a monthly small* scenario against the AI for the people who have a little downtime. I will see if the May slot is empty! *I have to own up that this months game is longer than normal but when you find a file with a battle commencing April 4th and thats the day you are going to post it does seem rude to ignore fate!!.

Thanks for that Los. Its nice to know that if I feel it immoral I am free not to play it. On a practical level and with my some say cynical view I was suggesting that it would not help any rapprochement between the various parties to have this game commercialised. I think conflicts are best settled with grace and given the views expressed here by people more connected to the war I am not alone: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/07/outrage-over-konami039s-quotsix-days-fallujahquot

As I play CM I obviously have no problem with warfare games per se. It is an intellectual exercise like chess but a little more grounded in fact. The fact that civilians in all wars can be killed is not news to me. My beef all along has been that a commercial game should have some degree of respect otherwise you can antagonise the still living who suffered first hand, their brethren, and those who feel it was an unjust war. As a military trainer game I have no problem with it. The invention of a My Lai game was not that there is a direct relevance but I was seeking something for an American audience that might seem inappropriate as a game. It is a totally tasteless concept. And apparently poor game play. FM Blucher As we know men of military age - 15 to 55 were not allowed to leave the battle area despite the US saying that AFTER the battle they would carry out checks on survivors to see who had been handling weapons. So the avoidance of civilian casualties was apparently not prime at that part of the battle. Incidentally this is interesting in it shows how things have improved http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301990_5.html

So is rapprochement helped or hindered by "games"? You will note originally that as an Army trainer simulation I have no problem with Fallujah as a battle. Making a commercial product : Interesting viewpoint that as it only offends a few thousand Iraqi's then its an OK commercial idea. I think is offensive to more than the people you think. Turning to this sentence: I am curious whether accidental impersonal actions that cause civilian death are in any way better than "deliberate,personal" actions. The closing of the hospital at Fallujah and the turning back of men of military age into a battlezone may seem to be in essence cruel behaviours. However that is irrelevant to the thread. Anyway I am glad you disapprove of a My Lai game , I think the idea gross. But as a commercial venture presumably it would be no less acceptable than many shoot-em up games. But, just possibly, do you think people would be offended in the US if it were referred to as My Lai rather than shoot the zombies or grooks? Lastly I cannot claim to know all urban battles of the 20th century but my impression has always been that dead and captured combatants normally outnumber dead civilians - other than lengthy sieges where starvation and disease alter the result. However if you have specifics in terms of urban battles lasting around ten days please let me know.

As for any similarities, well it is true there are less deaths in the Vietnam case. And in fact few if any combatants to fight which makes the whole thing more horrific. In Iraq there were somewhere between 30000 to 90000 civilians in the city of which "only" up to 6000 died. The Allies claim to have fought, and presumably killed 2000-3000 enemy fighters. So the ratio of civilian deaths to fighters is much better than My Lai. There are parts in which the game might be interesting such as will they include the use of white phosphorus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah As I am not an Arab/Iraqi or Muslim I have not seen the other games you claim are on the subject I cannot say how many people are offended by these games. I am . From what I read of CoD4 it seems sufficiently well written to include any Arab country and specifically mentions an abstract Russia. It does not take a specific recent battle and pretend to re-enact it so I think there is a difference may be in your ideas slight but in my eyes significant. Do I take it that you would not be uncomfortable with a My Lai game then?

I hope it never gets published as a game. A training sim for the army maybe but there is a lot of bad feeling about a war that was created and sold to many countries by some unprincipled politicos. To make money out of it as a game seems to be ghoulish/unsavoury/ and probably not very helpful in improving relationships between Arab/Iraqui nations and the West. Probably as useful in restoring good feeling as a a game on the MyLai massacre with the winner judged on speed and least number of bullets used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

Just guessing but could the 4 be people on-board [normally]

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/war-plan-pacific-pc-game-review.htm For those who play at a higher level : )

I have been unhappy with the concept of antibiotics for healthy animals for sometime, and also agribusinesses that control food production in the US, but this article shows how far and dangerous the situation is. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/opinion/12kristof.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/opinion/15kristof.html As the articles point out the nasty side effects it is worth reading.

And I thought it was just NZers!

From the BBC

Very funny. Nice modelling.

Oh yes BBBBBBBBB17 BBBBBooomber. The Intellivision was great especially with the Intellivoice

Tie yourself to any company who has you by the balls - I don't think so. Lets be honest even VERY large companies can go out of business - who is going to pay the legacy costs of running a server for free for a few gamers.

And remember your HQ's can spot for motorised mortar carriers that the US and German have.

Nice. Getting behind the line makes a difference. I had a sharpshooter claim a German 150mm SP when he caused the crew to bail.

nice. Good to see someone thinking laterally to improve his performance. I favour the girl with a big cleavage distraction method : )

I think this is really slick and it made me laugh http://vimeo.com/3514904?pg=embed&sec and once you have seen that this follows on my brother who sent me the links prefers this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2di9U-jJpY

And unfortunately barristers do not administer estates ..... that is not there role in law. However apart from those clues it was so intensely believable - I am sorry for your disappointment Affy but you are bearing up very well : )

I imagine there was a seeded site that would be brought up by Google. I very deliberately went via Wikipedia rather than any other hit. This is not necessarily foolproof though.

First time I have seen the famous keyboard stutter. Do you have trouble with other words gunner?

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