Formerly Babra

I'm glad my request generated such interesting and thought provoking responses. I'm the first to admit that implementing what I ask may be more difficult in practice than in theory. There will inevitably be those situations where the crew in question is technically surrounded for instance. Which way should they move then? Not so easy for the a/i to implement. I still think the answer lies in DRPs, Designated Rally Points. These would be markers placed by the player like a Target Reference Point. Routed, broken, scaredy-cat units would then use these as a point to converge on when they don't want to hang out in the fight any more. ------------------ Sounds like 100% weapons-grade bolonium to me.

Thank you, Ben. Yes, I dredged that one up from a distant memory... ------------------ Sounds like 100% weapons-grade bolonium to me.

Question is, why are YOU hanging around? Ubertank Syndrome? Treat all armoured vehicles like eggshells armed with hammers. You've done some damage, now scoot before he gets lucky. You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run... ------------------ Sounds like 100% weapons-grade bolonium to me.

Canucks. Fireflies! Crocodiles! Wasps! Badgers! Kangaroos! Who could ask for more? (Except maybe an Armoured car with a gun). ------------------ Sounds like 100% weapons-grade bolonium to me.

Vote Tory! Screw the Pope! LOCK IT UP! ------------------ Sounds like 100% weapons-grade bolonium to me.

I scanned another pic from the same source to show the typical pattern for a tank or AFV. The scanner is brand new and I haven't figured out the nuances of controlling the colour, so I did this one in B&W. The light areas are khaki or olive drab. The dark areas are black. This pattern, although similar, is distinctly different from the Mickey Mouse pattern used on light vehicles. This is a British Sherman in 1945. Note the early style gun mantlet -- that's something I've been meaning to raise with BTS, but not before compiling more photographic evidence. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

This is neither rant nor grogification, just a request based on a repeated observation: I have noted the tendency of bailed crews to do two things after exiting their vehicle. 1) To "move" to cover; and 2) to move to the nearest cover. On the surface, this makes sense. I'm willing to accept that they don't run, since they could very well be assisting an injured comrade. However, it too often happens that the nearest cover is toward the threat that just killed the vehicle. Even when I cancel the a/i generated movement order and issue a move/run/crawl or whatever command toward cover away from the enemy, the a/i immediately countermands my order and resumes movement toward the nearest cover, and consequently into disaster. The problem is that they are invariably picked off by the enemy's supporting infantry concealed in that same cover. I've lost a fearful number of crews this way. It is my opinion that, except in cases where cover is VERY close, bailed crews ought to be heading back to their own lines. The chances of a crew moving across open ground toward the rear being shot down are, I think, significantly reduced if the enemy is shooting at other units moving toward them. If the enemy has no other targets anyway, then the crew's chances aren't hurt any by moving away. I really think this would bump up realism one more tiny notch. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

Damn you, Colin! ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

Der Unbekannte Jäger, Are you for real? Sounds like pure weapons-grade bolonium to me. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

It should be pointed out that Mickey Mouse was used only on light units and soft skins. Tanks (when they used cam) and heavy armour like the Sexton used an irregular black pattern. I didn't scan that pic at highest quality, so the khaki drab came out looking somewhat brown. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

Kverdon, I don't think the ban on the "B" word has been lifted yet However, I believe Herr B's modifications were based on the H39(?). The chassis pictured above looks like a post-war introduction. Then again, what I know about French tanks is remarkably limited. Jane's is the place for answers on this one I think. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

Mickey Mouse Pattern. The Bren Carrier in CM already uses a variation of this. Image from "D-Day to Berlin" by Terrence Wise. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

I've had some fun putting correct tac symbols and unit insignia on 'em. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

I do hate to disillusion you all, but the best Samurai film by a long mile is Kurosawa's "Sanjuro", though the Seven Samurai is a darn close contender. ------------------ There are two things you should never do: Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and Never try to out-kill a Sicilian!

No caves. There are cliffs. No scaling ladders. There are no craters in the scenario editor (which is a pain), but excellent maps are easily do-able. ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mark IV: "Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Scandalous! Outrageous! INCONCEIVABLE! (I do not think that means what you think that means...) Truly though, the map is of the computer's making -- my mere mortal mind cannot conceive visions of such enormous enormousness, let alone reduce them to a playing field. But it is only turn 4... Vengeance may be the Lord's but I'm happy to help him out on this one. Button up, Herr Lemming, the damn-damn is coming down... ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

I find difficulty believing that this vehicle saw any real service. I don't know anything about the Hotchkiss chassis, but it just looks too light to carry that load. The tracks look way too narrow. The Notek light is sideways (was anybody even using those post-war?). The camo is...well...hollywood looking. Looks like somebody's mock-up to me. ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

I just got home and found MakJager's pics, but I guess there's no point putting them up now. Good call on the Hotchkiss. (And I say it was for the town scene in Kelly's Heroes) ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

Beware Lorak! Your Uberchinchillas can only move by night while hamster Jabos rule the skies! ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

Both of you! Back to your own thread! Schnell! Links, rechs, links, rechs... ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

"The Unknown War" narrated by Burt Lancaster gets my vote. It's a bit slanted from the Soviet side, but it's the best doc I've seen on the war in the east. Hard to find now. ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

Machal - Infantry Beka'a Valley 1982 South Lebanon 1983 ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

Bring it on. ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

Hey, Red Devils, Did you notice that Heaven & Earth was filmed in Alberta? I nearly fell outa my seat when they looked up at the stock postcard image of Banff and cried, "Ah! Mount Fuji!" There's still some beer spray on the wall... ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.

Makjager, email me the photo and I'll put it up. ------------------ Lucasta, when to France your man Returns his fourth time, hating war, Yet laughs as calmly as he can And flings an oath, but says no more, That is not courage, that’s not fear— Lucasta he’s a Fusilier, And his pride sends him here.