Stalins Organ
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1st game is the bombers - the Rita & 1 group of Yaks start at high - the Yaks have 2 Hp here, but they dive to medium to attack the Betties. But hte Betties fight like demons and get a 3:4 on a Yak!
The other Yak group starts at Very Low so takes a couple of turns to get into the fight, but by the end of T2 both Betties are smokin', and by the end of T3 they are gone - the leader killed. But has their brave sacrifice been enough to help the Rita's?
Probably not - the Yak9 U has 3 HP at high...that's probably a bit much to hope to survive against....and hte last Rita goes down at hte start of T6...bother....but ah well....not really so important..and they did achieve something!
Now on to the real battles....
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Normal service seems to have been restored
The single Betty element was quickly dispatched by 2 Yak elements as expected.
In the Central Plains a Ki-102 & A6M5 destroyed a 1/2 La 7 element and Pe-8's, killing the Pe 8 wingman for no damage.
Over the Eastern Highlands a tired Ki-84 and a Ki-102 faced an elite La-7 and an exhausted Il-4 - the Ki-84 leader was damaged, but all Soviets shot down again.
Score this turn was 17:10, so I leap put to a 35:28 lead.
T4 and I have 2 x 2/6's and a 4/6 to defend - but it looks like the Kwangtung Army has counter attacked as I have a 1/4 to defend in Outer Mongolia too!
Offensive targets are a 5 pt fighter sweep over the NW Highlands, and a 2/4 in the USSR.
This is turn 4 of 6 and it hasn't taken much in the way of losses to put some pressure on the Japanese fighter force - the Ki-102's are now going to fly 'til they die, and some more tired units have to be sent up - but I manage to rest 4 fighter groups.
I send the exhausted Betty & the best Rita to attack the USSR where they are intercepted by 2 Yaks.
A good A6M and a 1/2 element of tired Ki-84's defend the Khingan range against a 1/2 Pe-8 and an La-7.
But in hte other 2 targets he's sent 2 groups of fighters to each - Central Plains has 1/2 La7 & La5 against a full Ki-84 & 102, and Eastern Highlands has hte Yak-3 and 1/2 La5 vs 1/2 Ki-84 and a full Ki-102.
This could get messy......
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Back up and running but very slow to get a game - got this one in 1/2 hour of more or less constant trying .......now have to head out for the evening.....
Next game is 2 Ki 84's vs La 7 & Pe 8 over Khingan Range - all 4 soviets are shot down, but one of my leaders is killed - not so good
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Not only that, but the Brits actually did have evidence.......so JK's use of the example isn't actually relevant to anything he's put up so far.
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So you are telling me you are basing your firm conviction that these fuses existed on the lack of any evidence?
Lack of evidence is lack of evidence - that some people didn't know this or that is not proof that something else that they didn't know about existed because they didn't know about it!! (I hope that makes sense - honestly - your reasoning is so illogical it is difficult to write about even when I do grasp the tortuous path you follow)
You should stop making unjustified associations and leaps of illogic and stick to what IS known.
Gaps in our knowledge just remain gaps in knowledge until there is something supportable to fill them - and if nothing can fill them then best to jssut leave them empty rather than discredit yourself with unsupportable "conclusions".
There is nothing wrong with imagining what might fill them and postulating possibilities - as long as you don't confuse those with what we actually have evidence for.
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It was at least after the previous Mag 7 one tho!
Here's a list of mag 7+ earthquakes so far this year.
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John I fully accept the actual underlying message - that a Japanese commander, years after the war, mentioned that he had proximity fuses on his ship.
Having accepted that he made that comment, I then look for confirmation and examine the circumstances around the comment and the actual operation that he mentioned having those VT fuses on.
And I find nothing else anywhere that mentions them or supports their possible existance. there is no industrial infrastructure of the types required to produce them, no Japanese personnel could conceive of how they might have been able to be made to withstand the stresses involved, no examples were ever found, allied technical reports into almost every aspect of Japanese technology make no mention of them.
You, on the other hand, find a statement that uses the original comment as a source, and then use that as justification for concluding that the fuses absolutely existed - pure circular reasoning.
I have no problem with condemning your faulty reasoning, and no problem being willing to look at any ACTUAL evidence that the Japanese had VT fuses or something similar.
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Can't connect since that game - going to go watch the AB's choke the Wallabies again.....
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Minty - you are welcome.
JK - that is pathetic - you take a reference to an unsubstantiated comment as being proof of the truth of the comment!
I'm just shaking my head in wonder that you apparently think such reasoning is logical.
BTW there is no such thing as a proximity fused AA gun - yet again you ignore the obvious errors.
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T3: 2 4/6's and a 2/6 need defending, so all unfatigued groups do so, along with a fatigued Ki-102 leader (but his wingman is OK).
There's a 2/4 in hte SW highlands I'm temptd to defend too, since it can only be reached by the Yak-9 long range fighters....but that would take 2 lightly fatigued groups and leave me with no unfatigued fighters at all next turn, so I have to pass.
Time for the bombers to earn some keep tho - they are sent off unescorted - both Rita's to the USSR (1/4), the 2 Betty's to 2/3's in Outer Mongolia & NW Highlands.
I know if the Rita's are at high or very high altitude they are pretty tough for the Soviet fighters. The Betty's.....well they're just a gamble for a few points!!
1 Betty gets a free ride - the other wont' last long against a pair of Yaks, and hte Rita's are confronted by 2 1/2 elements of La-5's so might do quite well with a bit of luck.
All the 6 point targets are attacked, and the Soviets pick up 8 free points where I haven't defended.
The Rita's attacking USSR are the 1st game - I only get to sit and watch - 1 Rita is very high, the other medium, and the soviets are also at each of those heights. The La5 at Very High only has 1 horsepower and achieves nothing after the 1st turn. The one at Medium gets in several attacks and damages a Rita to only 2 remaining points, but he mission is a success. No significant damage done to the fighters - only a single 1 point hit from the bomber guns.
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3rd time I reloaded Dif it worked.
a quick game - half loop, bunch of 1:2's and the La7 leader is shot down, the wingman follows shortly along with both bombers, but both my leaders are damaged, so some rest is due for their brave efforts.
I score 9 points, the Soviets 8, so it is 18:18 after 2 turns
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T2 - I only have 2 unfatigued fighter groups - 1 A6M5, 1 Ki 84, and of course many targets!
Priorities are 4/6 HQ in the Central plains, and a 5 pt fighter sweep in the Khingan Range - the fighter sweep gets both unfatigued groups, while the Central plains gets the best fatigued Ki-84, and Ki-84 that has lost a plane.
I'm giving up a lot of points......but as it turns out the Soviets don't attack 1 target and don't defend another, and don't respond to the fighter sweep - damn - to groups fatigued for no gain!
The only combat is my 1 1/2 fatigued groups over the Central plains against an Il-4 and La-7.
Server has decided not to co-operate this afternoon - 15 attempts to play this battle and counting.....
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August Storm is a tough campaign for the Japanese - there are a lot more Soviets than Japs, and while hte Japs have a slight advantage in quality/experience, it's not very great.
I'm going to attack the Soviet fighter force initially in this campaign, and see how things go from there
T1:
Ignore 1/4 soviet troops in Kinghan ranges & outer Mongolia, and 0/2 figher sweep in Inner Mongolia, so the Sov's start with a 10 pt advantage.....
No target in SW Highlands
USSR: 2/4 airfield - send 2 Ki 84's to fight it out with expected soviet fighter defenders. Soviets 2 x La 7's. Result: Shoot down 4 La7's, kill 1 wingman. Lose 1 Ki 84 leader killed - damned shame that!! Get a inconclusive result due to Ki-84 bombload!
Central Plains: 4/6 HQ - defend with 1 x Ki-84, 1 x Ki-102. Soviets: 1 x Pe-8, 1 x La-7. Result - shoot down all Soviet a/c, kill both La-7 pilots - wahoo!
Eastern Highlands - defend 2/3 Japanese Troops with Ki-102 & A6M5 against Il-4 and La-5 - shoot down all 4 Soviets for loss of 1 Ki-102 - no pilots killed.
Northwest Highlands - 2/3 Soviet troops, "attack" with 2 x Ki-84 against 2 x La-5 defenders. This one is a massacre - both my leaders get 2: D and ace cards with their initial draws - both shoot down and kill an La-5 leader! Then the 1st leader gets another Ace & 2D & shoots down a wingman, and the 2nd wingman gets a 2: D, draws and extra 2: D and shoots down the 2nd wingman! One of my leaders gets damaged due to using up all his cards to shoot down a leader, adn the Ki-84 bombloads give me victory!
After 1 turn I am 9:10 down, but have killed 5 and shot down another 7 Soviet fighter pilots for the loss of 1 killed, 1 shot down and 1 damaged.
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There were a couple of Japanese air raids on Saipain on 7 december 1944 that destroyed B-29's - here - can't find any specific mention of a single large bomb tho - total 3 B29's were destroyed, 3 severely damaged and 20 lightly damaged.
this video purports to show a night raid that destroys some B24's and B29's in June 1944 according to the accompanying text - as far as I can se tho all the a/c are B29's - it doesn't seem to have a date on it & I don't get any sound.
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John before you can put something liek a VT fuse into a shell you have to do a couple of things:
1/ have a VT type fuse - there is no evidence the Japanese had one
2/ be able to make shock resistant valves to run it - there is, AFAIK, no evidence the Japanese had any programme to make such components, which were difficult to develop and required extensive testing.
Given that no evidence of either 1 or 2 was ever found in Japan the simplest and most likely explaination is that the Japanese simply were not working along those lines, and they "prefessed ignorance" because they WERE ignorant on that subject.
when someone "talks" of "the new xyz" it is probably quite unwise to assume that "xyz" existed unless there is corroborating evidence. Who knows whether that conversation ever actually took place (the AA officer asking for such shells) in that manner - 7 years after the such a conversation might be the mis-remembering of someone wishing they had some of those new proximity fuses the Yankee imperialists were using, or simply wishing they had some sort of proximity fused shells at all.
To conclude the definite existance of an item from one such comment, reported years after the war, unfootnoted and unreferenced and contradicted by much better documented evidence seems quite foolish.
Looking around the 'net a bit more I found some info from ppl who have read the book and apparently Hara says that his ship actually LOADED lots of proximity fuses and "homing torpedoes". Homing torpedoes were known to have been under development (caution - it's a 65mb download - the very short section on homing torpedoes is on page 3 just after the title page) at some point, but that development was believed to have been abandoned, the torpedoes being used were electric ones so can only have been the Type 92 used by submarines, and there is no evidence of any production AFAIK. Given the absence of physical or other corroborating evidence for either type of Weapon developed by the Japanese, it is more likely that they have been mistranslated as one of the posters in the linked thread has suggested!
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John the first post where you blamed earthquakes for your pain was in a post at 7.41pm on Friday the 3rd - as far as I can see, you being in Texas, that was Sat 4 September, 12.41pm New Zealand time, or approximately 8 hours after the quake which occured at 4.35am local time.
Before then you were blaming all sorts of things for pain....but not earthquakes.....as I said.
You should really try to understand what was posted before chosing to be insulted.
My "charge" against you is that you did not post anything about earthquakes causing your reported symptoms until after the event. And that "charge" is completely correct and accurate.
you may suggest what you like, however I am perfectly happy with my take on where teh bravo sierra is.
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You forgot to mention page 9 of that document where they list the types of "influence or proximity fuses":
1/ Acoustic
2/ Photo-electric
3/ mother qand daughter bomb
4/ Radio - a bomb fuse to be actuated by remote control when dropped into an a/c formation from a higher flying aircraft - the circuit diagram found being cnosidered complicated, and an "illogical method of accomplishing the purpose"
the section you quote also notes that most of these were theoretical, and when questioned about use of radio fuses in artillery the Japanese were completley ignorant of any such use or research into it, and the idea inherently impractical for use in artillery due to the shock of firing - a problem the allies had to spend massive amount of effort on getting around.
And here's the link to that document, which states right at the start that the Japs designed fuses along "sound principles", but hadn't produced anything outstanding in the way of fuzes - including all those mentioned above!
I have no idea why you think the ability to hide the Yamamoto is at all relevant -that occcured when Japan was a soveriegn state and could keep out foreigners much more effectivel y than when it had allied investigators crawling all over it with legal unfettered access to anything and everything.
That you mention it at all speaks to your mindset - which is always to throw up as much "information" as possible that shows any aspect of secrecy, whether connected to the subject under discussion or not. Sadly it is human nature that some of it will stick in the minds of those insufficiently aware or critical of such a shoddy tactic.
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Oh look - a report on a Japanese photo-electric prox fuse for bombs - clever folks with electronics those heavenly sons of nippon!
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IMO getting on one side or the other is usually not a choice you get to make - it depends on how the 2 parties see you and what they decide you are so there's a good chance are the husband will get a shirt on with you anyway due to your wife's friendship with the woman.
my sister's ex used to be a good friend until she walked out...then our whole family & her friends all became evil incarnate as far as he was concerned, despite a great deal of sympathy for him.......that 2-faced behaviour turned out to be why she left only we had never seen it!!
So I'd say go for it - might as well help the woman & get some kudos for doing good where you can, because you are probably going to get brown sticky stuff from the other side anyway.
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Jon looks like yuo missed my edited post sorry - I saw some "it's german so it must be better" stuff too.
But the Germans were certainly working on various prox fuses for their AA missiles as per my other links above.
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You know I have no great difficulty believing the Japanese could have developed a proximity fuse....none at all. Despite the lack of references on teh web apart from that 1 site you quote which doesn't give any.....
1/ that they put it in bombs and rockets is reasonable - those do not require miniaturised shock proof compnents as shells do
2/ they did have radar
3/ they were not idiots...well mostly not......
So although I do not consider it proved by any means, it is definitely a possiblity IMO.
Edit - remove request for info on a page discussing German prox fuses - appears to be a copy of uit (or the original?) here, and it appears they had several types for use in their anti-aircraft missiles - radio, accoustic and infrared are all mentioned here (PDF summary of German anti-aircraft missiles, not large). A description of the manner the accoustic fuse worked is on the wiki page of the X-4 anti-aircraft missile
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Important morale boosting news for Chch
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As an aside....to "answer" JK's complaint about closed minds, etc, I am going to restate some stuff a bit differently...just in case he gets the point.
Firstly - I am happy to accept any conclusion based upon proper evidence. Yes even Nazi flyng saucers. I have no doubt that the USA had an probramme investigating anti-gravity in the 1950-70's - that much seems perfectly clear.
did they discover an "anti gravity" drive? Maybe they did! But the evidence JK presents that they definitely did fall far short of proving it.
Are there secrets from such a programme? Probably. Does the B-2 use electro magnetic propulsion? Maybe....but you have to give very long odds for me to wager $1 that it does, and if I had to chose yes/no then i'm going to chose no every time on the current knowledge base.
I'd love to know what's in the US records for Operation Highjump - it does seem strange that they have been kept secret for a long time, but I can think of much more prosaic reasons for doing so than the discovery of a Nazi base with flying saucers.
Inflated descriptions of it as a "massive" operation seems pretty bizare - 13 ships with 4700 men is hardly "massive" for a military exploration of what was, then, a largely unknown continent with some very real known risks.
I am curious to know what's in all sorts of classified records. And i expect that whenever they are released, if ever, there will be lots of interesting stuff.........maybe some of it will even be "science fiction".
In the mean time using unjustified speculation to tell me what it must be, and that it's all my fault that I don't believe insufficient evidence, just pisses me off.
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Grr.......to clean this bleedin' thing at the moment I have to reboot to safe mode, run VCleaner (30-35 minutes), reboot, reload DiF ('cos the exe files are no longer recognised as Win 32 applications after cleaning!) and rerun the update process.
August Storm - defending Manchuko
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The first real game is Khingan Range - an La7 and 1/2 Pe-8 against a tired 1/2 Ki-84 and an A6M5 - I get off to a good start with hte La7 at low and hte Pe-8 at high, and both my fighters at high! It takes a while - the La-7 leader is tough and gets bucketloads of manouvres & loops to get the drop on tailers time after time, and he damages the Ki-84, but eventually he goes down....dead! As does the Pe-8!
A good start.
Central Plains is a bit tougher tho - an exhausted 1/2 element La-7 doesn't last long, and the survivors are forced to bail out ovre Japanese territory (killed/captured), but a La5 element proves much tougher - the Ki-102 leader is shot down, and in return we shoot down the La5 wing, and damage the leader - he's the first Soviet survivor for a couple of turns!!
The last fight is a tired 1/2 element of Ki-84's and a tired Ki-102 vs 1/2 La5 and a full Yak 3 - the Yak is hte only element that isn't tired, and it pounces on the Ki-84 and shoots it out of hte sky in short order - the Jap fighter has a handful of burst and manoeuvre cards
The rest of hte game is quite interesting tho - I bounce the 102 around in altitude and manage to damage both Yaks for the 102 leader damaged. And I won the points as he had only the La5 as a bomber I think.......so on the balance I'm happy with that.
Score for T4 is 8:9, so now 43:37 to me.
T5 looks interesting - I have a 4/6 bombing target available, as well as the usual 3 6-point targets to defend. There are 4 undamaged fighter groups, 2 lightly fatigued one, and 1 each fresh Rita and Betty to attack with.
But it's late here now - time for this tomorrow evening!