M Hofbauer

well just found this new hideout for the forum. I kept wondering what sort of maintenance would be taking over a week. I was trying to access the board via my old link http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Combat+Mission&number=1&DaysPrune=5&SUBMIT=Go yeah, what is this **** moving the forum and having that bogus maintenance **** up? and what is this new forum for anyhow? It is UGLY as hell and well I am really annoyed. well THANK YOU BTS! NOT!!!!!

Mike, the thing you are looking for are "Kragenplatten" (literally: collar plates). "Kraken" are squids sorry but even though it's just a typo on your part it was too damn funny to pass up on as regards the uniform, well, sometimes they wore whatever they could lay their hands on. Would have to do some reading on that. The picture is poor, not a lot to guess from there. The difference between Bäke and your example about OLt Anding is that Anding was famous for his actions in a spectacular Panzerfaust display with a british (conflicting information: russian)armored column on the receiving end in late 1945 (April). In the confined space of an urban area they halted the column by destroying the leading and end vehicles, and then went on to destroy the whole column like shooting fish in a barrel. His tank hunter group took out the entire column, with Anding destroying 6 tanks and 5 armored cars, his CO, Maj Walle, had 9 kills, and a third soldier, OGefr Stützle, had 7 kills. This action took place while Anding was essentially serving as a footsoldier. Bäke's famous for being one of the highest decorated soldiers per se. IIRC he got his three kills during battle after having bailed from his tank during the battle of Kursk in 1943. ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

1. I never said that Bäke was not a doctor nor that dentists are not doctors. I just wanted to share the funny fact that in civilian life he was a dentist. 2. Günther Viezenz did not write a book. In fact, he was very reserved about his wartime experiences and refused to talk about them with anybody, especially historians. 3. The thing about bars on the collar is total hogwash. The only differentiation you could make out from the collar would be between enlisted, NCOs, officers and generals, but within those groups they are all alike, hence a Lt will have the same collar as a LTC. 4. Viezenz was an Oberleutnant (~1st Lt) and commanding officer of 10./Gren.Rgt.7 (10th Company of Grenadier regiment 7). After the war he joined the Bundeswehr and eventually attained the rank of Oberst (~Colonel) before retiring. 5. As regards the likeliness of beiled tank crews to participate in active fighting or even to kill enemy tanks, you might want to discuss this with Jeff Duquete since Mr Duquette is of the opinion that these crews after bailing immediately went home or surrendered, but did not fight any more at all. But please, *you* try to discuss that with him. sincerely, M.Hofbauer ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

it was a badge, not a medal. Bäke was a dentist. The interesting thing about Bäke's Panzervernichtungsabzeichen was that he got them despite being a tank commander. In other words, he earned them while bailed/on foot outside his destroyed tank. ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

this is nothing new. it will happen when the targetted squad and the other squad are very close to each other. it's all about (deja vu!) - you guessed it, ABSTRACTION. The soldiers represented by that squad marker are supposed to be around that place, and if another squad ios around the same space, they will get hjust the same share as the targeted one. IMHO your problem, tanaka, is that you find something missing which in reality isn't there in the first place, id est, in reality you can't really discern between squads, all you see is a bunch of enemy soldiers (what little you see of them), you wouldn't know if they all belonged to one squad, if they belong to two or three squads, and which soldiers belong into which squad. That is as nonrealistic luxury presented to us by CMBO as a gift of the game to the armchair general. If there's a bunch of soldiers in the same vicinity, and they are being targetted, the group of soldiers in that vicinity as a whole will suffer casualties, in reality the firing and hittting is not restricted to exclusively the soldiers from squad "A", instead it is just as likely that the guys from squad "B" which are running (loitering) besides those from squad "A" should get hit as well. ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

cannot happen in CMBO's game engine with the predetermined hits. unless it's a blast kill. ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

I agree with Cybeq... Besides, Pvt Ryan, ciks' game *is* modded...(hint: if you don't recognize that builing mod in the background, I can only heartily recommend you get it!) ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

Well I would like tanks to smush lesser vehicles and guns. And I would like them to be opaque (no shoot-through in column etc.). ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus) [This message has been edited by M Hofbauer (edited 03-27-2001).]

"I must say that this reinforced my notion that tank smoke rounds are worse than worthless. In my games I try to fire them off as soon as opportunity presents itself so the TacAI won't abuse them." agree fully, same here as a SOP. ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

hmmm...I think the W is for Wet ammo storage. Hamsters: No, I don't think people read the whole thread, it seems sometimes they don't even read the entire post immediately prior to theirs... ------------------ "OK, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't sound effective as the Germans still did lose the war." (Maximus)

Btw, in some inexplicable mysterious way, that has led to the discovery that SS soldiers are actually hamsters. I suggest a further search should your interest have been initialized. ------------------ "Me tank is still alive me churchill's crew must be laughing there heads off." (GAZ_NZ)

No. Ceteris paribus, there is no difference based on unit type. ------------------ "Me tank is still alive me churchill's crew must be laughing there heads off." (GAZ_NZ)

How about we replace "OT" with "PL"? seriously, I think the strength of the U.S. Army lies in it's new black beret. because, funnily enough, when I recentrly read about the Ranger's and other's dissatisfaction about the introduction of the cotton headgear produced by a relative of Mr Shinseki, it was this very argument which was put forth as a reason FOR the introduction of the headgear: "Rangers don't necessarily disagree with the general's intent, but this directive has caused somewhat of a rift in the Ranger community. Some don't mind the change; some vehemently oppose it. Even some non-Ranger types have expressed apprehension. Such a divide in the ranks proves America's Army needs something like the black beret to unite its troops. " Hysteron proteron. Or somefink. [This message has been edited by M Hofbauer (edited 03-26-2001).]

There is oxygene in the wick's components. (There is also oxygene in water but that is not he issue in this case). To compare: Where does a bomb's explosive charge, enclosed in a massive iron shell, get all the oxygene from? ->It's part of it's explosive element.

You mean, if I *think* hard enough, I can make foxholes appear too, and my tanks come back to life. Exactly! That's the spirit! You need to look closely with your abstraction glasses on and you will see all the little molehills, garden fences, flowerpots, even insects. Your response makes sense, as I tried abstraction originally, but, the scenario is in the rain, and already there are two flames burning. In mud and rain, this should be an even more unliklier occurance. hmmm...hmmm...in that case, I'ld be careful if I were you, chances are that if you ever get struck by lightning you will get hit by two lightnings at the same time! That's what is tripping me up. It's just not adding up! Yes I admit it's weird. But as long as it is a rare exception, and as long as the water tiles doesn't catch fire, I guess we will have to accept it as part of the game design.... ------------------ "Me tank is still alive me churchill's crew must be laughing there heads off." (GAZ_NZ)

Chesty, the answer is: it's all about abstraction. Memorize it. It will be our magic word for the duration of this post you have a 20x20 terrain tile which in an abstracted way not only shows you a piece of grass, or acre, or road, but also includes (invisible) little ravines, bicycles, signposts, stacks of wood etc., maybe even oil drums. That is also the reason why every terrain tile, even seemingly blank pavement, has a certain cover value. Since CM cannot model things smaller than 20x20, all the little parkbenches, trashcans etc. are abstracted into an abstract cover value. But of course that abstract cover value is much higher in the field, scattered trees etc. than it is on open pavement. Same reasoning goes for things like flammability. In CM, all terrain tiles can catch fire. However, the likeliness to do so varies enormously. For wheat etc. it is great, and for pavement it is practically nil. You have been one of the few who will ever get to see the great natural happening of a pavement tile in CM catching fire, and in wet conditions, at that. This is a very rare occurrence. I admit that at first it looks stupid to have wet pavement burning. But you see, it is not a bug, but a consequence of the whole abstraction thing. But then, you can always make your own excuses for this: - spilled gasoline on the road -other flammable items on/near the road (invisible on that tile) like haystacks, logs etc. -depending on flamethrower type, a flamethrower can first soak and then ignite (shoot unignited fuel onto target, soaking it in liquid, then shoot a later volley which is ignited to ignite the whole setup). Needless to say, FT fuel burns everywhere, on every surface, and of course also in rain. hope that helps... cheers, evil Hofbauer p.s.: If I am wrong anywhere, I am sure BTS will correct it and if I am so wrong about it that I am practically O/T then I'm sure Mad-Mattlock's Padlock will click on my wrists like handcuffs.... ------------------ "Me tank is still alive me churchill's crew must be laughing there heads off." (GAZ_NZ)

Ok, obviously some of this has been suggested before but I just wanted to re-check, re-mind and maybe elicit a response in how far this is being actually considered. Neither of these suggestions are too far fetched or un-implementable, methinks. 1)copy/paste in mapmaker 2)ability to place shellholes/craters OR artillery tool (let artillery rain on the map ) 3)simple text editor to edit the scenario briefings from inside the scenario editor 4)give option in settings to give each side a certain amount of points from which they can buy (additional) forces from a force pool preselected by the scenario designer

(looks outside at the Vorfahrt achten! (yield!) sign)...uhm...(shakes head)...don't think so....

hmmm...thinking about it, the fact alone that the Germans might not yet have encountered shaped-charge infantry AT weapons (PIAT and HC inf. gun ammunitions notwithstanding) to any significant degree at the time the skirts were introduced is not conclusive. Remember they didn't need any enemy magnetic-attached mines at all to develop Zimmerit. Just another thought. So date of introduction alone does not tell a lot. Historic documents about the skirts being developed specifically to counter ATRs are another thing, however. yours sincerely, M.Hofbauer ------------------ "Me tank is still alive me churchill's crew must be laughing there heads off." (GAZ_NZ)

Mattias, no problem, I've known you for too long as to take offense. From your point of view your annoyance with this is understandable. I must admit that currently my opinion has changed a bit compared to before your statements. I know it wasn't supposed to STOP them, but even then I have a problem with this "influence the flight path" theory (which I originally meant with my comment). It's that the skirts are too close and flimsy to the armor to make for much change in the bearing / attitude / flight path of the bullet, especially considering the projectile has a momentum of over 30,000 Joule... Nevertheless, my personal opinion right now has swayed in favor of the skirts having been developed to help both against ATRs and shaped charges. Coincidentally, that's also what Hahn's statement on the issue is. I had discarded it before due to the doubts I have outlined above.

von Lucke, interesting to see you did the same one! But it shouldn't really be a surprise! I didn't bother to weather it since all I wanted to do is give it a try (I incested no more than two minutes in Paintbrush for it). And yes I agree that way of doubling the sign image for the pole is very annoying. And the main problems indeed are that it will a) be used for both kinds of minefields (unless you use it exclusively for one type and another type of sign for the other kind) and be used for allied minefields as well... Kurtz yes you are right that technically it is not a dummy minefield. I think they wanted to make a differentiation regarding density. Olle, why do you think the red is not right? Too bright? Mind you it was supposed to be bright, warning signal red, after all.

Mattias, I am not an authority I merely collect and compare data and info I read about. I cannot speak for WWII HEAT rounds per se. Also, I do not even know about all german shaped charges. Sometimes mention of a liner is being made, or you see cut-open sketches with drawings that look suspiciously like a liner, but I haven't seen one yet, therefore I *am* pretty positive that the regular PzF up to the PzF 60 (and probably 100 too) did *not* have a metal liner. I think I read somewhere that the totally redesigned PzF 150 had one, and this would indicate respective findings by the development team in the process of experimenting with the weapon's development, but frankly I doubt it (but that's just my personal impression). [This message has been edited by M Hofbauer (edited 03-22-2001).]

Since I am always in support of the cognitively challenged, this is for my dear mente captus maximus: TM-E 30-451 Section VII. MINEFIELDS I. General The Germans make extensive use of mines which they consider a most effective defensive weapon. Minefields are utilized chiefly to cover defensive actions and retreats, although limited use is made of them in offensive actions for flank protection. In a static situation the Germans regard minefields as an element of the front-line position, laid out according to an over-all mine plan developed in close conjunction with that for the fields of fire of all weapons. Within recent months, standard German doctrine for minefield location has been modified. ‘Instead of laying dense minefields in front of the main line of resistance, dispersed mines are laid there, while the minefields proper are sited within the main battle position. 2. Surveying of Minefields The Germans consider it necessary to survey the location of-minefields and individual mines within the minefields. German engineers are instructed to choose reference points (Festpunkte or FP) for minefields which easily can be identified. At a grade crossing, at the intersection of two improved roads, at the edge of a village, or some such favorable location, this can be done without any difficulty. In some instances, however, the Germans are forced to use “guide wire” and auxiliary fixed points (Vermessungspunkte or VP). A type of auxiliary fixed point that has proved practicable is the center of an equilateral triangle with sides 1.5 to 25 feet long. The corner points and the fixed point itself may be stakes, rails, or concrete or steel girders about 3 feet in length connected with barbed wire. Such a fixed point can be reestablished easily because even heavy shelling will rarely destroy more than one or two stakes. A minefield is limited by the four corner points Al, AZ, As, and Aq. The corner points are marked clockwise, A, and A, forming the base line on the German side. The survey of the field refers to one or both points of the base line. Auxiliary fixed points, called “mine stakes” (Minenpfähle), are used if necessary. Fixed points may be reference points found on the map or auxiliary fixed points established by the troops. Distances are measured in meters; azimuth readings are taken on the German issue compass-divided into 6,400 mils like the U. S. compass but read counterclockwise, and marked with the letters KZ (Kompasszahl) . The new-type compass called “march compass” has clockwise graduation and is indicated with the letters MKZ. The Germans use the magnetic azimuth and always proceed in their survey from the friendly toward the enemy side. The Germans believe that it is advantageous to lay a continuous chain of reference points 600 to 900 feet apart, through a division sector. This chain can be used to determine the location of ditches, trenches, obstacles, and pillboxes, as well as minefields. Individual points are designated with Roman numerals, starting on the right flank of the division sector. 3. Laying of Minefields a. PATTERNS. To assure the greatest possible effect, minefields normally are laid out in definite patterns. The Germans make an exception to this practice, however, in sectors where they do not intend to undertake offensive actions. There they disperse the mines irregularly in the areas between defensive positions. The main belts of a major antitank minefield laid in uniform pattern normally consist of antitank mines with a sprinkling of antipersonnel mines in the forward edge of the field. Both types may be fitted with anti-lifting devices, and some of the antipersonnel mines have trip wires attached. In some instances, these mines are placed in the intervals betwen the diagonal wires of a double-apron fence, with trip wires fastened to the diagonals. A number of antitank mines are laid in the forward edge of antipersonnel minefields to prevent armored vehicles from detonating the main belt of antipersonnel mines. The forward edges of minefields of all types often are sown with explosive charges placed in wooden boxes fitted with pressure fuzes. These act as both antitank and antipersonnel mines, and discourage the use of detectors to locate the mines. Forward of most regular fields, and particu- larly in front of lanes, mines may be found widely spaced or scattered at random in unmarked groups. Mines also are laid in spaces running out at right angles from the forward edge of the minefield to damage vehicles moving along the field in search of lanes. All pressure-type antitank and antipersonnel mines are laid in lines. For measuring distances and spaces, the troops use a mine-measuring wire (Minenmessdraht) which they themselves make from old telephone wire. (See Figure 15.) The mine-measuring wire is 24 meters , (about 25 yards) long, and every meter (3 feet 3 inches) is marked with a piece of wood. The rings on the ends are about 5 inches in diameter. The measuring wire, in addition to measuring the distance between fixed points, serves to lay out right angles by staking out a triangle with sides of 6, 8, and 10 meters respectively. Spaces between mines are determined by reference to the marks on wire ; the four rings on one end are used to offset the rows. The density of a minefield depends upon the interval between mines and the number of rows. The table above represents the density. Mine lanes are left open for patrols, and passage lanes for assault troops. For permanent patrols new lanes are made from time to time, and the old ones closed. A mine-free safety strip is provided on the Germans’ side. The Germans normally lay mine belts in indi- vidual sections 80 by 105 feet. The sections usually are staggered, and, for extensive mine belts, they are combined in units of three or four to form forward or reverse arrowheads, or echelons. Minefields arranged in echelon are surveyed by using corner posts on the hostile side of intermediate minefields as survey points. The Germans emphasize that minefields must be covered by fire, although during a hasty withdrawal they often do not follow this principle. It is common for a regular minefield to have a listening post with two men at the rearward edge ; about 70 or 80 yards farther to the rear there usually is a covering party of four or five men armed with one or two light machine guns. When the Germans are in hasty withdrawal, they usually lay a large number of small nuisance minefields. These fields contain many different types of mines, which often are unmarked and show every evidence of hurried laying. The consequent lack of pattern uniformity makes their detection and clearance a laborious and dangerous task. Though no consistency is noted in layout and types of mines used in such fields, the Germans show certain preferences in their choice of sites for them. b. LOCATION. In general, mines are laid either close to, or on, roads ; on airfields and railways ; and along telegraph routes. Surfaced portions of roads usually are avoided by the hasty mine layer, but khaki-painted T-Mines sometimes are placed on the surface at dips in the road, in the hope that drivers will be unable to check their vehicles in time to avoid them. The Germans also place mines along the shoulders of the road opposite narrow places where drivers have to detour to pass, and at the entrances to defiles where they have to pull off the road to wait for vehicles moving in the opposite direction. Other places usually sown with antitank mines are turnouts, sharp bends, the unsurfaced islands sometimes found at crossroads, berms, and well worn wheel ruts. c. CONCEALMENT. The Germans, with great ingenuity, attenqlt to make their tnines difficult to detect. They bury them as much as 24 inches below the surface where they explode only after passage of a number of vehicles has compacted the earth cover sufficiently to operate the fuze. They put explosives in wooden boxes to prevent the effective operation of ordinary mine detectors, and mark tire prints in the earth on top of the mine by drawing a detached axle and wheels over it. The Germans also show considerable ingenuity in siting random antipersonnel mines on the line of the hostile advance. Road demolitions are plentifully sown with S-Mines, and kilometer posts at points where vehicular drivers have to dismount to read directions are similarly treated. S-Mines also are placed in ditches, often close to to the trip-wire peg of another mine. Nuisance fields on lines of cbmmunication generally are closely spaced, occasionally so closely as to cause sympathetic detonation. This is particularly possible when mines are laid with their pressure plates almost flush with the surface of the ground and only lightly covered with earth. German dummy minefields take various forms. In some cases a trip wire is laid to give the appearance of a minefield perimeter wire, with the usual lanes, and the ground is disturbed at regular intervals. Scrap metal, often dispersed with real mines, is placecl in shallow holes to cause a reaction in the mine detector. Dummy mines often are wired in and connected with booby traps. 4. Marking of Minefields The Germans stress the marking of minefields and attempt to mark them in such a manner that they cannot be recognized by the enemy but can easily be found by their own troops. Their methods of marking minefields are not uniform. The front edge of a field often is unmarked and unwired; the rear edge seldom so. Some fields have been found unmarked, but because of many accidents caused by their own minefields, the Germans issued orders within recent months making proper marking obligatory. The following are typical examples of mark- ings by the Germans, the type used depending on the situation and terrain: corner-post marking stakes; double-apron fence on the enemy side and a single trip wire on the friendly side, or the reverse ; single knee-high wires ; cattle fencing; empty mine crates ; and signs. The length of marking stakes varies with the terrain. They are flattened on one side for a length of about 8 inches. The flat surface is painted red, with the letter M (Minen) in black. Such stakes are used only on the friendly edges of minefields. Signs are painted in red and white on boards or pieces of sheet metal, and fastened to two stakes. The edges of minefields are marked with signs showing horizontal stripes. Edges of lanes through the fields are shown by vertically divided signs with the white portion on the side of the lane, and the red portion on the side of the minefield (danger). The reverse side of the signs (the side toward the enemy) is painted olive drab. If red paint is not available, the Germans substitute black-and-white signs. They are painted with the following words : Minen - for mines Gasse or Gassen - for mine lanes Entmint - for an area cleared of mines. Minefields are marked with vertical lettering, dummy minefields with slanting letters. This distinction, however, is supposed to be made known only to the German engineer troops because other troops may divulge the location of dummy minefields by crossing them. 5. Mine Plans, Sketches, and Reports A German mine plan shows one or more fields in all necessary technical details. A German mine map, on the other hand, shows all mine obstacles within one front sector and their tactical significance, but without technical details. The Germans use a number of different forms for their reports and sketches, although all are based on the same principle. Figure 17 shows a very commonly used form. The upper third of the mine map form provides space for written specifications and a small situation sketch. The drawing is made on the blank space provided. It is the engineers’ responsibility to draw up mine maps, and to keep them up to date. Additional remarks sometimes are placed on the back of the sheet. a. DETAILS OF MINE MAP. The German mine map usually shows the following details: (1) Name of the obstacle and designation of the unit which laid it. (2) Name of the area in which the obstacle is located. (3) Grid reference and particulars of the map sheet referred to. (4) Obstacle shown in the little sketch in red. (5) Date minefield was laid. (6) Name and rank of officer or noncommis- sioned officer in charge of laying field. (7) Data of survey and instrument used (old or new compass-German issue) (8) Name and rank of officer or noncommis- sioned officer in charge of survey. b. MINE DATA IN MAP. The following data are given on the mines: (1) Number, type and igniter. (Example : 72 T-Mine with T-MZ. 42, booby-trapped.) (2) Whether or not the mines are dug in. (3) Number of rows, and number of mines per row. (4) Fence (Example : warning fence on friendly side.) (5) Special features (Example : destroyed enemy tank in center, on enemy side.) c. MINEFIELD-TYPE IDENTIFICATION IN MAP. Colored lines drawn diagonally across the upper right-hand field of the mine map identify the type of the minefield as follows : (1) A red diagonal line designates fields which cannot be cleared hecause some or all mines are booby-trapped. (2) A yellow diagonal line designates fields which can be cleared by using data from mine document. (3) A green diagonal line designates dummy minefields. (4) Mines taken up or exploded are marked in red. The number of the minefield plan and unit designation appears on the upper right-hand corner of the sheet. Battalion, regiment, and division engineers make their notes in the space provided for them. For S-Mines laid 50 meters (55 yards) from the German lines, a note is made in red letters: VORSICHT, NUR 50 METER ABSTAND! (Caution, only 50 meters distance !) In case electrical ignition is provided, a note is made showing how the igniters will be disposed of, if the unit which has laid the minefield is relieved. d. INFORMATION IN MINEFIELD DRAWING. The drawing of the minefield is made in the blank space on the lower part of the sheet. The scale is from 1 :500 to 1 :2,000 whenever possible. The following information is included : (1) Shape and size of minefield. (2) Pattern. (3) Location of booby-trapped mines. (4) Location of survey points with azimuth and distances. (5) Type and location of warning fence. (6) Location of the front lines and fortifications. (7) Neighboring minefields, nline lanes, terrain features, special features. The Germans believe that it is not necessary to mark on the minefield drawing the location of every single mine, if a partial drawing is sufficient. The German mine plans contain the detail symbols shown in Figure 18, while simple tactical signs are sufficient for minefield maps. The Germans complete their mine plans at company or battalion command posts, based on sketches and data compiled while the field is being laid out. They make five copies of all mine plans and distribute them as follows: One for engineer company which is in charge of the minefield; two for division ; one for army; one for central file in Dessau-Rosslau. Changes in the minefield are recorded on the back of the mine plan. After three changes a new mine plan is drawn. A mine sketch is a simplified mine plan used to transmit information on a minefield as rapidly as possible. It is not drawn to scale, and is drawn whenever the tactical situation, bad weather, or other circumstances prevent the preparation of mine plans. Front-line troops receive from the engineers instructions or sketches showing the approximate location and extent of the minefield. These sketches, as a rule, do not contain details on types of mines or igniters, pattern, and survey points. Engineer units in charge of minefields keep records of changes in minefields under their care and keep these records with their units, while mine plans are turned over to the relieving units. e. MINE REPORTS Armies generally designate certain areas for fields of scattered mines. In this case mine reports take the place of mine plans. Normally, mine reports contain: (1) Number of the order authorizing scattering of mines. (2) Designation of units scattrring the mines. (3) Name and number of field containing scattered mines. (4) Map location of scattered minefield. (5) Number of mints scattered, subdivided by types and igniters. (6) Number and type of booby-trapped mines, kind of booby trap. [This message has been edited by M Hofbauer (edited 03-22-2001).]

resources needed to code that kind of schnickschnack is better used elsewhere. btw hey maxipad, seems you still haven't checked again with the thread where you displayed your silly mockery about them minefields...

yep. Might work well against the AI. But then again, that is nothing special. ------------------ "Me tank is still alive me churchill's crew must be laughing there heads off." (GAZ_NZ)