rune

patience Grasshopper, There are many translatiosn needed, then cleaned up. Also other changes that have been requested. No need to be paranoid, the beta tester Madmatt and I have selected are hard at work. Rune

Lanzfeld, that was answered by the developers before. GrAL Junior Member Member # 20294 posted September 29, 2006 15:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some answers: 1) HMGs have limited ammo. Every weapon has limited ammo according to historical data. 2) Speaking about armor, bottom and top of the hull have proper armament as it was on real tanks, the same with turret and every part of the tank. Rune

Sgt Popov, I AM an admin, and ex-military. I don't go into someone's business and start bad mouthing people. It had nothing to do with CM, it had to do with being told several times to knock it off and then not doing it. End of story. Rune

It is squad or individual. Individual if the commander is killed. it was a design decision on 1C's part, and gives you fine control on where you want the soldiers to go. Rune

Look up the M36 Jackson. Rune

Just wanted a trip to someplace warm. You refused... Rune

Skippy, Are you playing the demo version or the release version of the game? There is a difference in German forces between the two. Rune

By the time the United States entered the war in December 1941, the Germans had lost the equivalent in aircraft of two whole air forces. From the onset of major operations against Scandanavia and Western Europe in the spring of 1940, the Luftwaffe had faced an appalling attrition rate. In May 1940, a month during which the Germans lost 20.2 percent of their total force structure and 27.4 percent of their bomber force, the Luftwaffe lost more aircraft in three weeks of heavy fighting than it would lose in any other month of that year.3 By the end of 1941, sustained attrition of Luftwaffe units in Russia had brought German air power into serious straits, as production of new aircraft and the training of new crews proved incapable of keeping up with front-line demands for replacements. Adding to the seriousness of the situation was the fact that the German logistic system broke down in the depths of Russia. By January 1942, only 47 percent of bomber crews in front-line units were fully operationa1.4 "In-commission" rates had fallen to 52 percent for fighters, to only 32 percent for bombers, and to 45 percent for the whole force structure. So much for not having problems. Rune

I give up, you ignore what people write. Rune your numbers are great BUT do it for every month and for both sides and you will see that some month the Luftwaffe had many more planes then the VVS because if the Soviets lose 6000 planes and the Axis only lose 1 thousand planes this means that the Axis have a lead by 5 thousand for the next month. How the hell did you come up with that? The Maximum the Germans had at any time is 2 thousand. In your example, if the Russins lost 5000, and the Germans lost 1000, it means each had 1000 at the end. Since you do not want to make an attempt to understand, I wash my hands on this. Rune

That is aircraft at one sector, the numbers given are in combat units, and NOT ones built. For example, let us look at 1942. At the end of this volume {Black Cross, Red Star] are detailed descriptions of the dramatic large-scale air battles during the German offensives at Kharkov and against Sevastopol in May and June 1942, where the scope of losses for both sides is mind-boggling. In this period, the Soviet Military Air Force, or VVS, lost 6976 aircraft and the Germans 1170, resulting in the astonishingly high claims recorded by Germany's many aces by war's end. Eric Hartmann's 352 claims for example, should not be scoffed at when you read this account. So...if the German out numbered the Russians, and the figured supplied by the Germans themselves say about 2000 aircraft on the Eastern Front was the high point, how did they shoot down over 6000 aircraft in 2 months? This would mean the Russians had more aircraft then the Germans. Let us look at Stalingrad, From Flight Leader: Dear David, In answer to your question about the ratio of aircraft present during the November Stalingrad operations, these are the figures. The Luftwaffe had approximately 1,200 aircraft, against the VVS' total of 1,414 aircraft, of which 413 were Yak-1, LaGG-3 and a few MiG-3 fighters, an approximate 12% superiority in the Soviet's favor. No where near a giant majority in overall strength. In answer to your query about Soviet aircraft losses during this period, the Soviet's losses fell into the Defensive period which was 2,063 aircraft, and the Offensive period which was 706 aircraft lost. The German aerial victory claims during this period can be understood because of the overwhelming replacements of the GKO's strategic reserves of modern aircraft types. Your point made about the FAF's ability to score phenomenal scores against the VVS can be explained easily by a number of examples. When a static defence is chosen, and the implementation of overwhelming aerial assets when and where a commander chooses, aerial superiority and victory are often assured. Examples being the Luftwaffe's success in their assault against Russia's static defences in June 1941, the RAF in the Battle of Britain, the Flying Tigers in Burma and China, the Japanese in their 1941 and 1942 conquest of the Pacific, and the US Navy's fighter tactics between the Guadalcanal and Midway campaigns. Exact number, Russians have more aircraft. Here are the figures for 1943 a/c at beginning of year / replacements / Aircraft lost / Aircraft at end of year bombers / 5300 / 5100 / 3600 / 6800 ground attack / 5000 / 11000 / 7200 / 8800 fighters / 11600 / 17000 / 11700 / 16900 total / 21900 / 33100 / 22500 / 32500 A lot of these were obsolete, or in training squadrons, but basically out numbered the German by far. Rune

You had your chance. Rune

Luftwaffe Order of Battle 24 June 1941 Serviceable Aircraft Strengths Single-engined fighters 898 Twin-engined day fighters 105 Night fighters 148 Fighter-bombers 124 Dive-bombers 260 Twin-engined bombers 931 Four-engined bombers 4 Long-range reconaissance aircraft 282 Short-range and army cooperation aircraft 388 Coastal aircraft 76 Transport aircraft 212 Total 3428 Russia Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 1 Stab/JG 54 Bf 109 4 3 I/JG 54 43 27 II/JG 54 40 33 III/JG 54 42 35 II/KG 1 Ju 88A 29 27 III/KG 1 30 29 I/KG 76 31 22 II/KG 76 30 25 III/KG 76 29 22 Stab/KG 77 1 1 I/KG 77 30 23 II/KG 77 31 23 III/KG 77 29 20 KGr 806 30 18 KGr zbV 106 Ju 52 44 8 Luftflotte 2 Stab/JG 27 Bf 109 4 4 II/JG 27 40 31 III/JG 27 40 14 Stab/JG 51 4 4 I/JG 51 40 38 II/JG 51 40 23 III/JG 51 38 30 IV/JG 51 38 26 Stab/JG 53 4 4 I/JG 53 35 29 4., 5./JG 53 35 33 III/JG 53 38 36 II (Sch.)/LG 2 Bf 109E 38 37 10. (Sch.)/LG 2 Hs 123A 13 13 Stab/ZG 26 Bf 110 4 4 I/ZG 26 38 17 II/ZG 26 36 30 Stab/KG 2 Do 17Z 3 3 I/KG 2 38 21 7., 8./KG 2 24 23 Stab/KG 3 1 1 Ju 88A 1 1 I/KG 3 38 32 II/KG 3 38 32 III/KG 3 Do 17Z 36 18 II/KG 4 He 111H 24 8 Stab/KG 53 6 4 I/KG 53 28 18 II/KG 53 21 10 III/KG 53 31 22 Stab/SKG 210 Bf 110C/D/E 5 4 I/SKG 210 41 33 II/SKG 210 37 37 Stab/StG 1 Bf 110 6 3 Ju 87 3 2 II/StG 1 39 28 III/StG 1 39 24 Stab/StG 2 Bf 110 6 4 Ju 87 3 3 I/StG 2 35 19 III/StG 2 39 20 Stab/StG 77 Bf 110 6 6 Ju 87 3 1 I/StG 77 38 31 II/StG 77 39 28 III/StG 77 35 28 IV/KG zbV 1 Ju 52 40 38 KGr zbV 102 43 8 Luftflotte 4 Stab/JG 3 Bf 109 4 2 I/JG 3 29 23 II/JG 3 25 25 III/JG 3 39 39 Stab/JG 52 4 3 I/JG 52 38 28 II/JG 52 39 37 III/JG 52 43 41 Stab/JG 77 2 2 II/JG 77 39 19 III/JG 77 35 20 I (Sch.)/LG 2 Bf 109E 40 20 Stab/KG 27 He 111H 5 5 I/KG 27 30 22 II/KG 27 24 21 III/KG 27 28 25 Stab/KG 51 Ju 88A 2 2 I/KG 51 22 22 II/KG 51 36 29 III/KG 53 32 28 Stab/KG 54 Ju 88A 1 1 I/KG 54 34 31 II/KG 54 36 33 Stab/KG 55 He 111H 8 7 I/KG 55 27 27 II/KG 55 24 22 III/KG 55 25 24 KGr zbV 50 Ju 52 44 24 KGr zbV 104 41 37 Norway and Finland Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 5 I/JG 77 Bf 109T 52 26 13., 14./JG 77 Bf 109E Z./JG 77 Bf 110C/D 12 7 I/KG 26 He 111H 31 26 I/KG 30 Ju 88A 34 19 II/KG 30 31 22 IV (St.)/LG 1 Ju 87B/R 42 39 KüFlGr 406 Bv 138A/Do 18D/G/He 115B/C 24 14 1./KüFlGr 506 He 115B/C 9 8 KüFlGr 706 Ar 196/He 114/He 115 13 6 3./KüFlGr 906 Do 18D/G 9 5 KGr zbV 108 Various 26 17 Note: Some sources say that only the Stab of KüFlGr 706 was present controlling 3./KüFlGr 906 and 1./KüFlGr 406 and that 1./KüFlGr 506 was withdrawn in April of '41. The Mediterranean Unit Aircraft Total Svcble X. Fliegerkorps I/JG 27 Bf 109 34 25 III/ZG 26 Bf 110 25 22 Stab/LG 1 Ju 88A 1 1 I/LG 1 35 4 II/LG 1 25 11 III/LG 1 27 11 II/KG 26 He 111H 28 5 III/KG 26 30 12 III/KG 30 Ju 88A 15 6 KüFlGr 506 11 4 I/StG 1 Ju 87 25 21 Stab/StG 3 3 3 Bf 110 4 0 I/StG 3 Ju 87 30 13 Stab/KG zbV 1 Ju 52 2 1 I/KG zbV 1 27 14 II/KG zbV 1 39 19 III/KG zbV 1 41 29 KGr zbV 9 25 9 KGr zbV 172 44 8 The West Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 3 Stab/JG 2 Bf 109 4 4 I/JG 2 36 30 II/JG 2 40 36 III/JG 2 37 32 Stab/JG 26 4 3 I/JG 26 31 27 II/JG 26 34 22 III/JG 26 43 36 Stab/ZG 76 Bf 110 4 4 II/ZG 76 34 21 II/KG 2 Do 217E 31 23 I/KG 4 He 111H 29 19 II/KG 4 25 15 I/KG 40 Fw 200C 21 4 II/KG 40 Do 217E 12 5 He 111H 10 5 III/KG 40 22 14 KGr 100 19 14 KGr 606 Ju 88A 29 13 KüFlGr 106 17 4 He 115 9 5 Germany and Denmark Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte Stab/JG 1 Bf 109 4 4 I/JG 1 28 34 Stab/NJG 1 Bf 110 4 2 I/NJG 1 37 28 II/NJG 1 32 21 Do 215 5 2 III/NJG 1 Bf 109 11 9 Bf 110 34 28 Stab/NJG 2 Ju 88C 4 4 I/NJG 2 32 15 Do 17Z 6 4 Stab/NJG 3 Bf 110 3 3 I/NJG 3 37 32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luftwaffe Order of Battle 27 July 1942 Serviceable Aircraft Strengths Single-engined fighters 945 Twin-engined day fighters 58 Night fighters 203 Fighter-bombers 40 Specialized ground attack aircraft 19 Dive-bombers 249 Twin-engined bombers 1119 Four-engined bombers 41 Long-range reconaissance aircraft 188 Short-range and army cooperation aircraft 209 Coastal aircraft 64 Transport aircraft 365 Total 3500 Units in bold are reforming. Underlined units are forming. Units in italics are re-equipping. Russia Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 1 I/JG 54 Bf 109 40 25 II/JG 54 40 28 III/JG 54 22 18 Stab/KG 1 He 111H 2 1 I/KG 1 Ju 88A 27 14 II/KG 1 26 14 III/KG 1 33 21 Stab/KG 53 He 111H 4 4 I/KG 53 31 23 II/KG 53 33 26 III/KG 53 Ju 88A 44 29 III/StG 1 Ju 87D 32 23 Luftflotte 4 Stab/JG 3 Bf 109 3 2 I/JG 3 24 9 II/JG 3 22 10 III/JG 3 25 12 Stab/JG 52 4 4 II/JG 52 40 24 III/JG 52 35 20 13. (slow.)/JG 52 Bf 109G ? ? 15. (kroat.)/JG 52 Bf 109 12 6 I/JG 53 40 8 Stab/JG 77 4 4 1./JG 77 9 6 II/JG 77 23 16 III/JG 77 27 21 Stab/ZG 1 Bf 110 3 2 I/ZG 1 36 14 II/ZG 1 31 15 III/ZG 1 Bf 109 40 40 Do 217 3 1 7./ZG 2 Bf 109 12 9 III/LG 1 Ju 88A 28 11 Stab/KG 27 He 111H 2 2 I/KG 27 32 20 II/KG 27 31 21 III/KG 27 31 8 Stab/KG 51 Ju 88A 2 0 I/KG 51 30 17 II/KG 51 33 8 III/KG 53 28 8 Stab/KG 55 He 111H 4 4 I/KG 55 31 19 II/KG 55 30 21 III/KG 55 29 20 Stab/KG 76 Ju 88A 3 2 I/KG 76 27 13 II/KG 76 33 14 III/KG 76 38 12 Stab/KG 100 He 111H 1 1 I/KG 100 37 13 II/StG 1 Ju 87D 39 30 Stab/StG 2 3 3 Bf 110 6 4 I/StG 2 Ju 87D 28 20 II/StG 2 31 19 III/StG 2 18 11 Stab/StG 77 3 1 Bf 110 6 4 I/StG 77 Ju 87D 29 20 II/StG 77 35 28 III/StG 77 33 18 Stab/SchG 1 Bf 109 2 1 I/SchG 1 31 16 II/SchG 1 Hs 123A 12 6 Hs 129B 28 13 II/KG zbV 1 Ju 52 35 2 KGr zbV 4 49 31 KGr zbV 5 52 22 KGr zbV 9 52 34 KGr zbV 50 48 29 KGr zbV 102 52 22 KGr zbV 900 48 16 Luftwaffenkommando Ost Stab/JG 51 Bf 109 2 1 I/JG 51 31 15 II/JG 51 34 20 III/JG 51 37 22 IV/JG 51 36 29 15. (span.)/JG 51 10 6 Stab/JG 54 4 3 I/JG 54 43 27 II/JG 54 40 33 Stab/KG 3 Ju 88A 2 2 I/KG 3 34 15 II/KG 3 27 16 III/KG 3 27 19 Stab/KG 4 He 111H 3 3 I/KG 4 26 23 II/KG 4 25 19 III/KG 4 35 18 KGr zbV 105 Ju 52 38 25 KGr zbV 500 40 15 KGr zbV 700 26 14 Note: 13. (Slow.)/JG 52 not in source material. Norway and Finland Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 5 1., 3/JG 5 Fw 190A 35 28 2./JG 5 Bf 109F-2 II/JG 5 35 25 III/JG 5 Bf 109E/F 23 17 IV/JG 5 Fw 190A 26 20 13. (Z.)/JG 5 Bf 110E/F 12 7 I/KG 30 Ju 88A 35 29 II/KG 30 37 29 III/KG 30 36 32 I/StG 5 Ju 87B/R 43 39 KüFlGr 406 Bv 138A 26 22 He 115B/C KüFlGr 906 Bv 138A 6 6 He 115B/C 8 6 KGr zbV 108 Ju 52 39 23 Ju 52/See Note: Some sources show IV/JG 5 with Bf 109s at this date. The Mediterranean Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 2 Stab/JG 27 Bf 109 3 2 I/JG 27 23 15 II/JG 27 24 16 III/JG 27 20 7 Stab/JG 53 4 4 II/JG 53 30 20 III/JG 53 26 12 2, 3./JG 77 25 18 III/ZG 26 Bf 110 25 18 10./ZG 26 Do 17Z 9 4 I/NJG 2 Ju 88C 30 8 Stab/LG 1 Ju 88A 1 0 I/LG 1 28 11 II/LG 1 26 13 I/KG 26 He 111 36 27 II/KG 26 31 8 III/KG 26 Ju 88A 29 20 Stab/KG 54 2 1 I/KG 54 28 6 Stab/KG 77 3 0 II/KG 77 27 5 III/KG 77 27 12 II/KG 100 He 111H 25 12 KGr 806 Ju 88A 18 8 Stab/StG 3 Bf 110 4 2 I/StG 3 Ju 87 22 11 II/StG 3 29 14 III/StG 3 32 17 III/KG zbV 1 Ju 52 32 17 IV/KG zbV 1 50 26 KGr zbV 400 28 14 KGr zbV 600 38 29 KGr zbV 800 32 11 The West Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 3 Stab/JG 2 Fw 190A 4 3 I/JG 2 36 29 II/JG 2 37 34 III/JG 2 39 31 10. (Jabo)/JG 2 15 11 11. (höhen)/JG 2 Bf 109G-1 9 8 Stab/JG 26 Fw 190A 4 4 I/JG 26 38 28 II/JG 26 41 36 III/JG 26 36 33 10. (Jabo)/JG 26 15 12 Stab/KG 2 Do 217E 2 2 I/KG 2 29 21 II/KG 2 26 15 III/KG 2 35 29 I/KG 40 He 177A 30 16 II/KG 40 Do 217 30 28 III/KG 40 Fw 200C 20 11 Ju 88C 4 1 KGr 106 Ju 88A 31 23 KGr 606 18 6 Germany and Denmark Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte Stab/JG 1 Fw 190A 4 4 I/JG 1 37 34 II/JG 1 38 28 III/JG 1 40 22 IV/JG 1 29 28 Stab/NJG 1 Bf 110 3 2 I/NJG 1 19 14 II/NJG 1 15 15 Do 217 14 7 III/NJG 1 Bf 110 15 15 Do 217 3 1 Stab/NJG 2 Ju 88C 3 1 II/NJG 2 Bf 110 23 17 Do 215 6 5 Do 217 10 1 III/NJG 2 Ju 88C 20 13 Do 217 15 7 Stab/NJG 3 Bf 110 2 1 I/NJG 3 20 16 Do 217 3 1 II/NJG 3 Bf 110 24 21 Do 217 9 6 III/NJG 3 Bf 110 31 24 Do 217 1 1 Stab/NJG 4 Bf 110 1 1 II/NJG 4 15 8 III/NJG 4 19 13 Do 217 7 5 I/KG zbV 1 Ju 52 52 35 KGr zbV 172 52 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17 May 43 Serviceable Aircraft Strengths Single-engined fighters 980 Twin-engined day fighters 114 Night fighters 378 Fighter-bombers 216 Specialized ground attack aircraft 61 Dive-bombers 413 Twin-engined bombers 1269 Four-engined bombers 33 Long-range reconaissance aircraft 215 Short-range and army cooperation aircraft 251 Coastal aircraft 149 Transport aircraft 414 Total 4641 Russia Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 1 Stab/JG 54 Fw 190A 4 4 I/JG 54 36 30 II/JG 54 Bf 109G 40 40 10. (Jabo)/JG 54 Fw 190A 9 3 Nachtjagd Schwarm Bf 109 5 1 Stab/KG 53 He 111H 4 4 I/KG 53 37 37 III/KG 53 37 33 15. (kroat.)/KG 3 Do 17Z 12 12 I/StG 5 Ju 87D 51 51 Störkampfstaffeln Luftflotte 1 1. Staffel Fw 58 21 19 He 46 Ar 66 Go 145 2. Staffel Fw 58 20 13 He 46 Ar 66 3. Staffel Fw 58 21 15 He 46 Ar 66 Go 145 4. Staffel Fw 58 22 19 He 46 Ar 66 Luftflotte 4 II/JG 3 Bf 109G 40 24 III/JG 3 35 20 Stab/JG 52 4 2 I/JG 52 38 17 II/JG 52 28 14 III/JG 52 37 22 13. (slow.)/JG 52 ? ? 15. (kroat.)/JG 52 10 6 10./ZG 1 Bf 110 12 7 Stab/SchG 1 Fw 190A 6 6 I/SchG 1 41 32 4./SchG 1 Hs 129B 10 9 II/SchG 1 Fw 190A 25 17 7./SchG 1 Hs 123A 12 8 8./SchG 1 Hs 129B 12 11 Panzerjäger Staffel/JG 51 16 14 Stab/KG 3 Ju 88A 1 0 I/KG 3 37 27 II/KG 3 31 13 Stab/KG 27 He 111H 2 0 I/KG 27 34 13 II/KG 27 23 15 14. (Eis.)/KG 27 9 6 III/KG 51 Ju 88A 21 11 Stab/KG 55 He 111H 4 4 I/KG 55 19 13 II/KG 55 30 19 III/KG 55 33 20 I/KG 100 37 35 Stab/StG 2 Ju 87D 3 2 Ju 88 6 6 I/StG 2 Ju 87D 30 23 II/StG 2 26 20 III/StG 2 34 27 Stab/StG 3 2 2 I/StG 3 38 22 III/StG 3 3 16 Stab/StG 77 3 2 Ju 88 6 6 I/StG 77 Ju 87D 39 33 II/StG 77 39 30 III/StG 77 39 24 Störkampfstaffeln Luftflotte 4 1. Staffel He 46 13 5 Do 17Z 2. Staffel Ar 66 8 3 W.34 Fw 189A 3. Staffel Go 145 16 1 4. Staffel Fw 58 5 2 Go 145 Ar 66 5. Staffel Hs 126 14 7 He 46 6. Staffel Go 145 16 15 Note: Source missed 13. (slow.)/JG 52. Luftflotte 6 I/JG 26 Fw 190A 36 30 Stab/JG 51 14 11 I/JG 51 39 20 III/JG 51 40 21 IV/JG 51 28 20 15. (span.)/JG 51 Bf 109G 16 6 Stab/ZG 1 Bf 110 2 2 I/ZG 1 38 30 Nachtjagd Schwarm Ju 88C 4 2 Stab/KG 1 Ju 88A 4 4 I/KG 1 20 0 III/KG 1 37 18 Stab/KG 4 He 111H 1 0 II/KG 4 37 23 III/KG 4 37 23 II/KG 51 Ju 88A 37 28 Stab/StG 1 Bf 110 6 5 Ju 87D 1 1 II/StG 1 39 35 III/StG 1 39 36 Störkampfstaffeln Luftflotte 6 1. Staffel Fw 58 19 18 He 46 Ar 66 2. Staffel Go 145 20 18 3. Staffel Fw 58 14 13 Ar 66 Korps Transport Staffel Ju 52 8 4 Finland and Norway Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 5 Stab/JG 5 Fw 190A 2 2 I/JG 5 Fw 190A 35 23 Bf 109G-2 II/JG 5 Fw 190A 23 20 III/JG 5 Bf 109F-4/G-2 26 24 IV/JG 5 Fw 190A 40 31 Bf 109F-4/G-2 13. (Z.)/JG 5 Bf 110F/G 12 8 14. (Jabo)/JG 5 Fw 190A 11 7 I/KG 30 Ju 88A 37 32 1./KüFlGr 196 Ar 196 28 25 KüFlGr 406 Bv 138A 26 17 He 115B/C 9 9 1./KüFlGr 706 Bv 138A 6 5 Ar 196 5 5 KüFlGr 906 Bv 138A 8 5 TGr 20 Ju 52 36 27 Ju 52/See 10 4 Korps Transport Staffel Ju 52 8 6 He 111 1 1 Note: Some sources say that II/JG 5 operated Bf 109s at this time. Italy Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 2 Stab/JG 27 Bf 109G 1 1 II/JG 27 40 38 III/JG 27 40 40 II/JG 51 40 29 Stab/JG 53 4 3 I/JG 53 36 8 II/JG 53 34 10 III/JG 53 38 24 Stab/JG 77 4 3 I/JG 77 22 5 II/JG 77 27 11 III/JG 77 23 0 II/ZG 1 Bf 110 32 8 III/ZG 1 Me 210A 15 6 III/ZG 26 Bf 110 29 20 10./ZG 26 Ju 88C 12 12 Stab/NJG 2 1 1 I/NJG 2 18 8 II/NJG 2 11 10 II/SchG 2 Fw 190A 22 4 8./SchG 2 Hs 129B 10 10 III/SKG 10 Fw 190A 20 2 Stab/LG 1 Ju 88A 1 1 I/LG 1 37 29 II/LG 1 31 10 II/KG 1 26 14 II/KG 26 He 111H 37 20 III/KG 26 Ju 88A 13 7 Beleuchterstaffel/KG 26 5 0 III/KG 30 32 30 Stab/KG 54 1 1 I/KG 54 20 11 II/KG 54 22 10 III/KG 54 34 16 Stab/KG 76 2 2 I/KG 76 36 2 III/KG 76 32 23 II/KG 77 26 20 III/KG 77 20 14 III/TG 1 Ju 52 35 13 IV/TG 1 33 9 I/TG 5 Me 323 21 10 II/TG 5 12 7 TGr 30 He 111 52 16 Savoia Staffel SM.82 6 9 Seetransport Staffel Ju 52/See 12 7 Ju 90/Ju 290 Staffel Ju 90 7 3 Ju 290 Korps Transport Staffel Ju 52 7 5 The Balkans Luftwaffenkommando Süd Ost I/JG 4 Bf 109G 40 40 The West Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftflotte 3 Stab/JG 2 Fw 190A 4 4 I/JG 2 40 40 II/JG 2 24 18 III/JG 2 40 37 10. (Jabo)/JG 2 Bf 109 13 8 11. /JG 2 14 9 12./JG 2 15 12 Stab/JG 26 Fw 190A 4 4 II/JG 26 40 40 III/JG 26 40 35 11. (Jabo)/JG 54 16 9 Stab/SKG 10 6 6 I/SKG 10 42 42 II/SKG 10 40 38 IV/SKG 10 30 23 Stab/KG 2 Do 217E/K 2 2 I/KG 2 Do 217E/K/M 21 8 II/KG 2 Do 217E/K 26 26 Me 410 9 3 III/KG 2 Do 217K 18 17 Stab/KG 40 He 177A 1 0 II/KG 40 Do 217K 21 19 V/KG 40 Ju 88C 37 28 I/KG 66 Do 217 23 7 Korps Transport Staffel LeO 451 6 1 Note: Balke's KG 2 history shows no Me 410s assigned to II/KG 2 in May '43. Germany and Denmark Unit Aircraft Total Svcble Luftwaffenbefehlshaber Mitte Stab/JG 1 Fw 190A 3 1 I/JG 1 31 27 Bf 109G 7 0 II/JG 1 Fw 190A 39 31 Stab/JG 3 Bf 109G 3 3 I/JG 3 40 17 I/JG 11 Fw 190A 40 27 II/JG 11 Bf 109G 54 27 I/JG 27 37 24 III/JG 54 45 41 Stab/NJG 1 Bf 110 4 4 I/NJG 1 27 20 Do 215B 1 0 II/NJG 1 Bf 110 26 17 Do 217 6 3 III/NJG 1 Bf 110 23 20 IV/NJG 1 22 16 Do 215B 2 2 Stab/NJG 3 Bf 110 2 2 I/NJG 3 11 11 Do 217 11 9 II/NJG 3 29 20 III/NJG 3 Bf 110 23 18 IV/NJG 3 Ju 88C 25 22 Stab/NJG 4 Bf 110 1 1 I/NJG 4 22 19 Do 217 11 8 II/NJG 4 Bf 110 22 20 Do 217 11 11 III/NJG 4 Bf 110 24 22 Do 217 6 5 IV/NJG 4 Bf 110 23 23 Do 217 3 3 Stab/NJG 5 Bf 110 2 1 I/NJG 5 26 26 II/NJG 5 19 17 Do 217 2 1 IV/NJG 5 Bf 110 18 18 Ju 88C 15 11 I/KG 3 Ju 88A 37 29 I/KG 6 31 21 II/KG 6 20 15 III/KG 6 34 28 I/KG 26 He 111H 19 10 II/KG 27 37 28 I/KG 40 He 177A 12 10 Fw 200C 6 1 III/KG 40 He 177A 12 12 Fw 200C 11 2 I/KG 50 He 177A 29 4 II/KG 53 He 111H 13 0 II/KG 76 Ju 88A 5 3 II/KG 100 Do 217 37 0 III/KG 100 35 11 I/TG 1 Ju 52 22 16 II/TG 1 49 34 II/TG 2 20 8 III/TG 2 24 12 II/TG 3 50 39 III/TG 3 52 27 IV/TG 3 36 24 I/TG 4 15 5 II/TG 4 51 48 Source: Alfred Price. Luftwaffe Data Book, 1997. The Russian Numbers: January 1, 1942: 21.900 airplanes January 1, 1943: 34.900 airplanes January 1, 1944: 46.400 airplanes January 1, 1945: 59.900 airplanes May 10, 1945: 64.200 airplanes Say 1/2 of these faced the germans [these are combat aircraft numbers]. So, max at the front at any time for the Germans is 2000, Russians had minimum of 10,000 on the front. However, remember a lot of these could be obsolete types, and shifting forces for an attack [operational] could give one side or the other a higher value on a specific section of the front. Rune

Depends.....going to give me a free flight someplace? Rune

I focused on that because you stated the briefing of the Lenningrad 1944 was inaccurate. I was trying to show you that it was correct. I haven't seen the briefings for the other campaigns, as Dan knows, I have been busy with other projects. [see ToW thread on some screenshots I just released] I also corrected you on there was not a pilot shortage during 1943, when obviously there was. IF I have time, I'll dig up the numbers for the earlier years...but other things are much higher on my priority scale. Rune

Didn't you see what I posted above? Rune

No, you are not understanding. This is the last time I will try. The campaign is Lenningrad 1944. At Lenningrad, during January of 1944, the German Luftwaffe was out-numbered at the operation level of that theatre. The numbers from 1941-1943 do not mean a single thing. They could have had 50000 aircraft during 1941, who cares? It has NOTHING to do with Lenningrad during 1944. For the last time, German records say there were 1500 aircraft on the whole Eastern Front. Soviet records and military studies state there were 6600 Soviet aircraft, maybe even more. Now, since 6600 is greater then 1500 during January 1944, it is proper to say the Germans were outnumbered during January 1944. As for bull****, cross that line again and you won't be coming back here. I won't go into each month of each year, the numbers do not mean anything for January 1944. Insulting me is not the way you are going to have me do research YOU can do. If you fail to understand what I am saying again, then a table will not help you. You understand that during 1943, single engine fighter pilots had a 141% casualty rate. The German could NOT produce pilots that fast. At the end of 1943, the Germans were in dire straights. Let's look at numbers: On 31 December 1943 the Luftwaffe had 2395 single-engine pilots in combat squadrons deployed throughout Europe. Of these pilots only 1495 were fully operational (62 percent), 291 were partially combat-ready (12 percent), and 691 were not operationally ready under any circumstances (26 percent). This force lost no less than 2262 fighter pilots in the next five months—close to 100 percent of the number reporting for duty at the turn of the year. So, out of a total of 2395 in ALL fronts for single engine pilots, they had only 1495 fit for combat. So, the Germans had less pilots for single engine fighters covering germany, italy, and the eastern front then the Russians had on their front alone. Is anyone else understanding this? Rune

RMC, say it with me, the data is placeholder. Change skin as far as I know, you can add skins. I'll try to find out more. Rune

Nein, nada, negative, and nyet. Glad to be of help. Rune

And since you insist there was not a shortare of pilots in 1943, you may be interested in this: July and August 1943 saw the final collapse of the strategy to slug it out with Allied air forces in peripheral theaters, while the pressure in the west exerted by American bomber crews became almost unbearable. In the great battle around the Russian city of Kursk in early July and then in a series of ferocious struggles in August as the Russians counterattacked, the Luftwaffe formations in the east suffered enormous losses. Similarly, the Anglo-American invasion of Sicily in July forced the Germans into major commitments in the Mediterranean. Finally for the first time, in July and August the American bomber raids reached toward the jugular of German industrial production. In those two months the Luftwaffe wrote off 1032 aircraft in the Mediterranean, 1030 aircraft in the east, and 1151 in the west. Thus, total losses amounted to 3213 from a force structure numbering 7080 aircraft (including noncombat aircraft) in early July.11 (The magnitude and impact of these losses suggest a whole new frame of reference for analysis of the air war. Within this new frame of reference—to cite one obvious example—Eighth Air Force’s unescorted daylight bombing campaign becomes something more than a tactical failure as it is usually presented.) Total losses of combat aircraft reflect an even more depressing tale. In that two-month period, the Germans wrote off no less than 1313 single-engine fighters; at the beginning of July, they had 1784 single-engine fighters.12 The result of such devastating attrition was that the Germans had to shut down most air operations both in the Mediterranean and in the east. For the remainder of the war, their ground forces would receive little or no air support. Nevertheless, the Luftwaffe now had more than enough on its hands in contesting American daylight raids over the Reich. The following table indicates the pressures on the force structure throughout l943.13 (See Table I.) What these percentages emphasize is rising levels of German aircraft production had relatively little impact on the war. Allied production was climbing even faster, for the Americans and the British had decided to increase aircraft production well before the Germans. Thus, relatively speaking, the gap between opposing air strengths was growing rather than decreasing despite rising German production. Table I. German aircraft losses, 1943 Nevertheless, the Luftwaffe extracted a heavy price from the attacking Allied air forces throughout 1943. While the trends may appear clear to the historian, they were not so clear to Allied commanders and certainly not to the aircrews who flew the bombers. Beginning in May, the Eighth Air Force launched raids deeper and deeper into Germany. Aircraft losses immediately reached 20 percent per month and remained at that level (with the exception of September) through October. In the latter month, the number of aircraft written off reached more than one quarter of those present at the beginning of the month.14 Crew losses were even higher because there were fewer crews on duty than aircraft. Table II suggests not only the level of losses but the impact that overwhelming American production of trained crews and aircraft had on the balance of air forces in Western Europe.15 Despite high monthly loss rates, the Eighth Air Force’s strength steadily grew. Nevertheless, the second terrible drubbing over Schweinfurt in October forced a fundamental rethinking of American air strategy. For the remainder of the year, American bombers flew only as deep into Germany as their escort fighters could lend support. There were no lon46ger any deep-penetration, unescorted raids. Table II. Eighth Air Force heavy bomber strengths and losses, 1943 Although German crew losses as well as operational sortie loss rates are difficult to establish (largely because most Luftwaffe records were destroyed at the end of the war), one can establish loss rates for pilots of the single-engine fighter force.16 The percent of fighter pilots killed, wounded, or missing each month rose sharply in late spring 1942 with heavier operational commitments to a high of 9.4 percent in August but fell to a low of 2.4 percent in November. Thereafter, pilot losses began an ominous rise that continued unabated for the rest of the war. For the month of April 1943, the percentage loss was 10.9 percent of the fighter pilots present for duty at the beginning of the month. The loss rate would fall below that level during only one month (November 1943, 9.9 percent) for the remainder of the war. The heavy fighting and commitments over the summer of 1943 imposed a terrible attrition rate on the force structure. For the period from July through October, the Luftwaffe was losing between 14 percent and 16 percent of its fighter pilots every month. The average number of fighter pilots available in combat squadrons over 1943 was 2105. The number of fighter pilots killed, wounded, or missing over the course of the year was 2967 or 141 percent. The inescapable conclusions that such statistics point to is that the Luftwaffe was in desperate trouble by the end of the year; and that if it had managed to blunt the American daylight offensive in October it had suffered no less grievously itself in the great air battles of 1943. This is an official study by the US Air Force by Air University Review, March-April 1983. Rune

Why would I do that? That is not the number of aircraft built, it is the number of aircraft the German's state were stationed along the ENTIRE eastern front, and the total number of Russian aircraft available. If the German's had 45000 aircraft and only 1500 were on the Eastern front, then there were only 1500 the Russians were facing with 6600. You cannot go by total aircraft, since most were defending Germany, or sitting without a pilot or fuel. It may be a language difference, you aren't understanding, but you only count the aircraft you are actually facing in units. Heck, you should only count the units in that sector. That may be the problem, you are counting overall, which again, doesn't mean anything at the operational level. At Lenningrad during January 1944, the Germans were operationally outnumbered. Rune

No, you ignored what I posted. That was the actual aircraft available in Jan 1944, in squadrons at the front. 6000 Russian Combat aircraft vs 1500 German Combat Aircraft. The sources are published books, and if you look at the first link I posted, was a study done for the US military by a university. The bottom line, most aircraft were pulled from Eastern front due to the three factors I already cited. I researched CMBO, CMBB, CMAK, and did a lot for Down in Flames. Production means NOTHING if you don't have the fuel or the pilots and have to defend on three fronts. Rune

All the data has not been entered, and it is placeholder. It will be the probability to hit. Rune

Remember I just got this and not all information is complete. I believe it is the chance to hit, but I'll see what I can find out. Rune

Playing with ToW today, I got to see the Unit Encyclopedia in Action. You can access the Encyclopedia from the games main menu. Included are: Unit Background and technical information, including weapon performance, armour values, and a really neat feature that allows you to view the 3d model and rotate the view, AND, and this is a big AND, see the different skins. For example, the Tiger comes with 7 different skins. Here is a nice sneak preview, remember this is a work in progress, we just got this and I wanted to share: Tiger tank missing data. Hetzer Tank Destroyer SdKfz 251/1 Hope you enjoy... Rune [ September 26, 2006, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Madmatt ]

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