Pinetree Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Damn, the frogs are having some luck at moment.A crappy ref call, 28 phases and no attempt at a droppy.Reminds me of a certain game in Cardiff.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Apparently the refs were under instructions to go hard on any sort of lifting tackles. He knew what he was doing. You lift, you roll the shoulder over and you drive the guy back down...you can't say you were in the right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I don't think it was deliberately a lifting tackle insomuch as the French player was momentarily standing up deciiding to off-load when he was hit. Warburton was just going for a hard hit anticipating some resistance. The law was for deliberately dmaging tackles rather than oin game incidents. As Joubert said with replays and linesmen available it does seem overly harsh without some thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce90 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 JonS.Please predict a French victory in the Final. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Apparently the refs were under instructions to go hard on any sort of lifting tackles. He knew what he was doing. You lift, you roll the shoulder over and you drive the guy back down...you can't say you were in the right. Only that's not what he did. He picked him up, turned him over, then dropped him. Yes, it was a penalty because he didn't take care that he ended up safe (as he is obliged to if he takes a player off his feet, and since he dropped him, that was impossible), but it wasn't an attempt to injure someone deliberately. It might even have been yellow-card-worthy. "Going hard" doesn't mean reaching for the red card without any warning; that's overkill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I am Sam. padding 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Only that's not what he did. He picked him up, turned him over, then dropped him. Yes, it was a penalty because he didn't take care that he ended up safe (as he is obliged to if he takes a player off his feet, and since he dropped him, that was impossible), but it wasn't an attempt to injure someone deliberately. It might even have been yellow-card-worthy. "Going hard" doesn't mean reaching for the red card without any warning; that's overkill. Look I think it was harsh to get a red too. But dropping the guy at the last moment is not a defence. He knew what he was doing before then. We've all done it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Look I think it was harsh to get a red too. But dropping the guy at the last moment is not a defence. He knew what he was doing before then. We've all done it. It's a darn sight better than riding the tacklee down to the ground and piledriving his head into the pitch, which is what the rule is meant to stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It's a darn sight better than riding the tacklee down to the ground and piledriving his head into the pitch, which is what the rule is meant to stop. Your assertion is not quite the letter of the law: Law 10.5.j Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 And the IRB's notes on interpretation: "A directive was issued to all Unions and Match Officials in 2009 emphasizing the IRB's zero-tolerance stance towards dangerous tackles and reiterating the following instructions for referees: - The player is lifted and then forced or 'speared' into the ground (red card offence) - The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player's safety (red card offence) - For all other types of dangerous lifting tackles a yellow card or penalty may be considered sufficient From Stuff article Sad - but apparently the only possible response - the Welsh payer says he had no intent to injure - but that is irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 You saw it here first. SO and I agree on a rugby matter! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Do we....?? really?? sure you aren't just out fishing?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Actually I enjoyed the collaboration for once. There's been a storm of stuff this morning (including JonS's link) saying "should have been a yellow card if at all", but none of it is grounded in any fact. I was wondering if the same tackle had been performed by an 'evil' team whether people would have worked so hard to defend it. I can accept it amongst sports fans, but listening to some of the 'expert' commentary last night I can't believe that people get paid to twaddle on with such ill-informed stuff as well. Apparently the loss of a flanker was going to "Massively unbalance the Welsh scrum..". Really? A flanker isn't there to push! And for most of their defending scrums they drafted in a centre anyway. But as someone who was supporting France last night it was still pretty frustrating to watch a team with a one man advantage not manage to do anything with it for 62 minutes. If you're one up in the forwards, especially a flanker up, then just drive it up the middle and win phase. Eventually a gap will open. What's the point in an hour's worth of kicking duel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Well that didn't last long... They drafted the centre for their own scrums...defensive or offensive - to make sure they got their own ball as I saw it. They didn't bother on the French put in. and if the flankers don't help with a bit of a push then the Welsh scrum must be utter crap because they got shoved around quite a lot after he left.....hmm..?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Well that didn't last long... and if the flankers don't help with a bit of a push then the Welsh scrum must be utter crap because they got shoved around quite a lot after he left.....hmm..?? They got shoved around because they lost their linchpin prop at about the same point in the match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Oh, right - their sub prop - a man with a mere 26 caps, is so freakin' useless they might as well have had my grandmother (bless her departed soul) playing the position..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Only 8 pts in it - far too few vs a Wallaby team that's perfectly capable of coming out with a much better 2nd half than 1st......but better the AB's 8 pts up than behind! Thanks o Quade & Pocock for helping the AB's so far - hope they keep it up! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Half time. Cooper continues last week's idiocy. I just do not understand what the point of the vertical bomb is. If you have the ball, keep it. Don't do the 50/50 kick straight up in the air. And I have to say, that although my gut clenches every time Nonu gets the ball, I do love watching him play. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 That'll do me - even if Cooper did start playing properly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 No argument about the result. We didn't deserve it after complete absence in the first half. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce90 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 And the IRB's notes on interpretation: From Stuff article Sad - but apparently the only possible response - the Welsh payer says he had no intent to injure - but that is irrelevant. These are good points and fair comment. Now we all wait to see what the referee does in the Final when the same situation arises and an AB is the tackler. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I lament that it couldn't have been closer. The other ide of the coin is that I know it was a deserved win. We weren't 'done' by anything other than our own mistakes and stupid tactics. The same stupid tactics that nearly cost us last week. WTF is this rugby league bomb thing? Whenever we got the ball and drove forward we looked threatening. The rest of the time we just aimlessly kicked. The match kick off out on the full was an apt forecast of things to come. As an Australian though I also lament another body blow to the sport here. Not because we didn't win, but because of the volume of points coming through penalties. (Especially if you add on the AB's missed ones!). NRL and AFL already market their games along the lines of "At least you'll see some actual scoring" and tonight's game (and last night's) will just play into their hands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 And the IRB's notes on interpretation: Sad - but apparently the only possible response - the Welsh payer says he had no intent to injure - but that is irrelevant. Then every other ref in the WC that I've seen has got it wrong. Either by ignoring or not seeing lifting tackles (that come under the definition of dangerous play, whether there was a drop or not). Including one today. Ridiculous overreaction by the Powers That Be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gautrek Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 Can some one explain what the f*** The AB's have done to their Haka.Its very very poor now.They used to be so much better a few years ago.Also what does the Haka have to do with most of the AB's any way.Most of them are white. But other than that Australia were very very poor and Wales were robbed. Unless France play out of their skins in the final its a foregone conclusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Then every other ref in the WC that I've seen has got it wrong. Either by ignoring or not seeing lifting tackles (that come under the definition of dangerous play, whether there was a drop or not). Including one today. Ridiculous overreaction by the Powers That Be. huh?? There is the ability to make it a yellow card - if you read the article I linked to you would see that. They are under instruction that it is a red card, automaticaly, if the tackled player is driven into the ground, or droppped. If neither of those 2 things happen then they can give a yellow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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