Wushuki Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 It appears that a carrier bug has entered the 1939 campaign. The problem is that the air defense of carriers is not increased with advanced air upgrades. This value is used whenever carriers get intercepted by fighters and when fighters attack carriers. Take a look at the screenshot below as proof. All units (carriers and fighters) have level 3 advanced aircraft here. In the top picture the carrier attacks the unit of aircraft and will be intercepted, resulting in 5 losses for the carrier. In the bottom picture the surrounding aircraft have been removed and the carrier will no longer be intercepted. It will now only take 1 damage, down from 5. The reason for this is that the air defense value of carriers is 0 even when upgraded. When the fighter intercepts the carrier this value is used. This results in the intercepting fighter doing 4 (4-0) damage, whereas it is supposed to be reduced by the tech level of the aircraft carrier. So the correct value the intercepting fighter should do is 1 damage (4-3). Thus the solution is to make the air defense value of aircraft carriers increase with advanced aircraft upgrades. This will make sure that carriers will not be useless against land based fighters later in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesopo Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Another bug is that carriers suffer air losses for attacking subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrat618 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 iirc at least some german subs had AA guns and they did shoot down planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesopo Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 in WW2? That is only a very minimal number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgin Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 iirc at least some german subs had AA guns and they did shoot down planes. And, of course, "air losses" aren't necessarily shoot downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrat618 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 in WW2? That is only a very minimal number. did a quick search and evidently nearly all uboats in ww2 were equipt with aa guns. im not saying they were very effective, because they weren't. but they did have the capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesopo Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I meant the amount of planes that are damaged by sub AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrat618 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 actually u boats did shoot down a fair number of planes according to this site. http://www.uboat.net/history/aircraft_losses.htm "Summary 118 aircraft shot down by 97 individual U-boats for the loss of 31 U-boats either sunk during the attack or due to being located by other forces shortly afterwards and sunk." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin I Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Gorgin is right - air losses could be from other causes - attrition, a loss of one carrier in a group or damage to a carrier damaging the planes it carries too. Also, it might be that a damaged carrier cannot launch as many planes so effective air strength is lower. Remember its a strategic game...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 It does look like we removed some of the applicable combat stat upgrades for Carriers and if I remember correctly this was done for the original WWI release so likely this will be added back in for WWII campaigns. Thanks for catching this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Just to add, I was reading the nonfiction book "Unbroken" and was surprised to find out that operational losses of B24s were much greater than combat losses. Now with that in mind, I have a feeling accidents were more predominant than combat losses across the board for most aircraft models. Someone ought to research that.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesopo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 the actual combat losses by sub combat vs aircraft is a very minuscule number. After attacking subs, readiness loss of the carrier should be reflected for the next round. This would be a more accurate representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrat618 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 from the same uboat site. "One source says that RAF Coastal Command (U-boat hunters) lost 700 aircraft (badly damaged, shot down and paid off - not all to U-boats of course) and sank 220 U-boats during the war. I've been unable to verify the RAF losses but the U-boat figure is about right it seems. These figures show the immense effort put out by the British to hunt down the U-boats and almost all the aircraft successes took place in 1942 and later." if those figures are accurate, they are not exactly miniscule. as i posted earlier, 118 of those were directly shot down by the uboats, not a miniscule number either. most of the rest of the losses are probaly from accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesopo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 We will just have to disagree on this point as the ratio of damage on carrier aircraft after attacking uboats borders on fantasy. Uber AA? The editor can rectify this easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrat618 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 well i was just discussing real life losses, not ingame ones. i haven't played the ww2 scenerio yet, but in GC SC i dont remember taking large aircraft losses from subs. if you are in this game, then maybe something is wrong and needs to be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesopo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 this is is the WW2 scenario we are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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