siffo998 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I`ve just ran over something very strange i want to share. Recently i played a german defense mission with two panthers. One of the panthers got some pounding from an sherman on the edge of the map that he could not spot (even so he was unbottened when the sherman opened up on him, and even after multiple rounds from the sherman and a cover arc in the direction). So i assumed that maybe somthing is flawed with spotting when tanks are standing directly on the edge of the map. So i started a test scenario. I placed a sherman m4a3 75mm on the edge of a map and 1000m opposing a panther A mid in the middle of the map (open field no cover at all between them, no height difference). Each facing the other with a cover arc. Experience and everything to normal/average/regular. Both tanks unbuttoned. I wanted to find out which of the tank would spot and first shoot at the other more often. I repeated the test 40 times each for one minute. here are the results: Sherman first spots and shoots at panther: 27 times (67,5%) Panther first spots and shoots at sherman: 11 times (27,5%) Tanks spot each other at the same time and shoot at each other: 2 times (5%) http://www.2shared.com/file/-MPDvudf/test_sherman_edge_001.html at this point i was very confident that my testing proves my theory that a tank at the edge of map the could be spotted far less often. so i repeated the the test with the panther on the edge and expected similar results now in favor for the panther. Here are the results: Sherman first spots and shoots at panther: 25 times (62,5%) Panther first spots and shoots at sherman: 14 times (35%) Tanks spot each other at the same time and shoot at each other: 1 times (2,5 %) save: http://www.2shared.com/file/2QSHgvur/test_panther_edge_001.html now my theory was destroyed insted it seems like a m4a3 allways has an advantage over the panther in first spotting him... so i set up a third test with both tank in the middle of the map 1000m away (again each other facing with cover arc). Sherman first spots and shoots at panther: 24 times (60%) Panther first spots and shoots at sherman: 15 times (37,5) Tanks spot each other at the same time and shoot at each other: 1 times (2,5%) save: http://www.2shared.com/file/Ve7pU4Fl/test_both_middle_001.html this seems very strange to me. A sherman m4a3 could spot and first shoot at a panther (1000m distance) more often than the panther on the sherman ??? from all I`ve read a panther at the russian steppe was able to spot and kill targets like the russian t34 at ranges around 2000m. also he had magnificent sights with two magnification steps. 2,5X and 5X. the 2,5X to search targets and 5X to lock on targets. On the other hand their isnt any account i know of that a sherman m4a3 75mm ever spotted or fought targets at 2000m and his sights only had 5X magnification. (Both sight informations according to Ospreys Duell Panther vs. Sherman 76mm Battle of the Bulge). I am aware that the silouette of the panther is slightly bigger than the one of the sherman but a height from 20cm+ also brings the advantage that the tank commander could spot more easily if on open ground. (image you climb on a tower...the higher you get...the more you can see.) sorry but in my opinion a panther should at least have an 50/50 chance, if not better, to first spot and first shoot at an sherman m4a3...(havent testet it with other vecicles yet). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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