Calculon Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 In PDE there are some swastikas on the some screens... Will the Global Conflict be without Nazi symbols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwormwood Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Those screens are probably old historical pictures, not "new" in-game graphics. No need to show Nazy Symbols in the game. as the game is not a nazi-simulator but a game about a military struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 You may have seen some screenshots of my A3R mod with my unofficial customized graphics? I'm not promoting a nazi-simulator or anything, just historical fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss_guy Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 i think the nazi-symbols, should be in the game, to create a historical game. it's not an act of racism! by the way: what is the A3R mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgin Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I think that there is a legal problem in Germany if you use the swastika. Thus there may be a marketing consideration if Battlefront wants to sell these games there. Like many of us, I edit them back in for the feel of historical accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 by the way: what is the A3R mod? That's my adaptation of the Advanced Third Reich (A3R) boardgame by Avalon Hill. It's in the PDE repository at http://www.battlefront.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=314&func=fileinfo&id=193 I am updating these campaigns for the upcoming WWII Global Conflict game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculon Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 If you play PDE "plain vanilla", and look at the screen between turns, one will se the swastika on the screen, while the computer process the Axis turn. I would prefer a computer game without symbols that clearly could be described as nazi etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgin Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Calculon: This is about WW2 after all. WW2 without the Nazis wouldn't have taken place. Never the less, you can always edit OUT the symbols that you find offensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I agree with Gorgin, I want the full meal deal....burgers, fries, coke, and the symbols. US Civil War game still use the Confederate Flag, and that certainly isn't policially correct, but it is historical correct (and legal, well in USA). @pzgndr --- Dude, is your A3R mod goes with what version of SC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss_guy Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 hey guys, i've got a solution: the original game you can buy in a shop is without symbols. and for these guys who likes to have symbols, they can download a special patch, which allows you to set the game up! hope you know what i mean, english is not my motherlanguage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 @pzgndr --- Appears your Mod goes with Patton Goes East, not SC-Pacific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 @pzgndr --- Appears your Mod goes with Patton Goes East, not SC-Pacific I did clearly say PDE (Patton Drives East) repository? I did not update A3R for the Pacific Theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculon Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 I like swiss guy`s suggestion, see his posting. Let me make it clear: The Sc games are the greatest. I really look forward to GC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Dude, alot of these dudes own German uniforms, how's that for realism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowalewski Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 If Nazis symbols are going to be introduced it would be fine.h (everyone playing axis and tries to dominate the (virtual) world ;-) I like historical accurate graphics. Cheers Dominik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwormwood Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I would prefer acurate game mechanics. Honestly, when i was younger i wanted those symbols as well. But than i thought about it a bit and finaly changed my mind. I play the Axis side, but not the Nazi side. I want to win with the Axis power, but not with or for the evil idology of the Nazis. I don't want to use a game where i take up those symbols which stand for the Holocaust. I can live and play with the symbols of the german army, but not with the symbols of the NSDAP. I play to fight a war, not to fulfill the disgusting aims of the Hitlers party. Of course, Hitler enforced his Nazi symbols to the Wehrmacht, but nevertheless i would always prefer the Balkenkreuz, which was used before and after Hitler. Where shall acuracy start, and where shall it end? And do you want a game about WW2, or do you want to play a game, in which you try to let the nazis win? Without Nazi symbols you can play and enjoy the game, without having to think about why exactly you know out of the blue are trying to help the most evil ideas the world has ever known toward victory. We don't need swastikas in the game, what good would they bring which we can't achieve with the Balkencross (iron cross)? Finaly: I play gamed like SC / SC2 not because of the fancy graphics -and i doubt anyone does- but because of the game mechanics. So why this fanatical swastika fetish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arado234 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 xwormwood since you are from Germany I can certainly see your point,but if you look up the history of the Swastika you may change your mind. I personally have no problem with it being there since it was worn on all the german armed forces.Like it or not.As far as sales in Germany go well then I can see your point. I notice the rising sun is on all the Japanese units.They were no better(and sometime worse)than the nazis in the way they treated people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I'm jonesing for a Confederate Flag; and I'm a Yankee. Yeah, the smart thing to do is avoid the extra Bunta stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculon Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 This posting is to the point. Lets go fore the game mechanics, the game itself. I would like to play the greatest WW2 game that is. I would not be a part of a roleplaying where the aim is NSDAP ore Nazi Germany. What kind of elements would we like to have in a game? Labour camps? No, lets go fore a game where the elements are pure strategy. Fore the other bit, lets go fore a patch, so that everyone could have their cup of tea. I would prefer acurate game mechanics. Honestly, when i was younger i wanted those symbols as well. But than i thought about it a bit and finaly changed my mind. I play the Axis side, but not the Nazi side. I want to win with the Axis power, but not with or for the evil idology of the Nazis. I don't want to use a game where i take up those symbols which stand for the Holocaust. I can live and play with the symbols of the german army, but not with the symbols of the NSDAP. I play to fight a war, not to fulfill the disgusting aims of the Hitlers party. Of course, Hitler enforced his Nazi symbols to the Wehrmacht, but nevertheless i would always prefer the Balkenkreuz, which was used before and after Hitler. Where shall acuracy start, and where shall it end? And do you want a game about WW2, or do you want to play a game, in which you try to let the nazis win? Without Nazi symbols you can play and enjoy the game, without having to think about why exactly you know out of the blue are trying to help the most evil ideas the world has ever known toward victory. We don't need swastikas in the game, what good would they bring which we can't achieve with the Balkencross (iron cross)? Finaly: I play gamed like SC / SC2 not because of the fancy graphics -and i doubt anyone does- but because of the game mechanics. So why this fanatical swastika fetish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 This posting is to the point. No, this whole thread is an unnecessary distraction. Of all the things to talk about regarding this new release, bringing up a potentially inflammatory discussion about (editable) bitmap graphic symbols and whether WWII wargames are allowed to be historically accurate or not is totally missing the point of Strategic Command WWII Global Conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculon Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 I agree that the point of SCWWII is to be a great game. It seems that the GC would be the greatest game there is... But any kind of activity represents some kind of ethics, etc. Sir, you show some lack of thought when it comes to your comment of "unnecessary distraction". Anything that has something to do with WW2 should be judged against ethical and human standards. And i dont like fascist/nazi symbols wether is displayed in a game, in music, litterature, etc. I have stated my mind, others have theirs - some have taken the point quite good / and better than me. I have said mine now, end of discussion. No, this whole thread is an unnecessary distraction. Of all the things to talk about regarding this new release, bringing up a potentially inflammatory discussion about (editable) bitmap graphic symbols and whether WWII wargames are allowed to be historically accurate or not is totally missing the point of Strategic Command WWII Global Conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculon Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 I agree that the point of SCWWII is to be a great game. It seems that the GC would be the greatest game there is... But any kind of activity represents some kind of ethics, etc. Sir, you show some lack of thought when it comes to your comment of "unnecessary distraction". Anything that has something to do with WW2 should be judged against ethical and human standards. And i dont like fascist/nazi symbols wether is displayed in a game, in music, litterature, etc. I have stated my mind, others have theirs - some have taken the point quite good / and better than me. I have said mine now, end of discussion. No, this whole thread is an unnecessary distraction. Of all the things to talk about regarding this new release, bringing up a potentially inflammatory discussion about (editable) bitmap graphic symbols and whether WWII wargames are allowed to be historically accurate or not is totally missing the point of Strategic Command WWII Global Conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Come to Buntaland for tangent discussions: http://s15.invisionfree.com/Buntaland/index.php? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didz Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I think that how Hearts of Iron got round the excessive German PC issues. It was one of the first patches I downloaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 How about we change this discussion to graphics? Specifically unit counters or sprites. I ran across some really well done counters by Scytth, you all need to take a look at them. Go to www.twitter.com/WstlInteractive and take a look at the referal to Scytth's counters. Might be a nice alternative, something along these lines for SCG, although I do prefer the sprites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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