borsook Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Hi, I've so far only had SC2:Blitzkrieg, but now I plan to buy an expation... But which one? Will Patton work without Waw? Also what improvements does it bring when compared to Waw? I am not interested in the fictional east vs west scenarios, just "normal" ww2... I'd be grateful for any tips you can give. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill101 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 PDE contains more features, most notably Decision Events which give the player the option to make various choices throughout the game. If it's WWII you want, it also contains the Storm of Steel scenario, which starts WWII in the spring of 1939. Plus the AI will be better in PDE than in WAW! However, WAW contains some great scenarios too, and I really wouldn't want to be without either. Battle for Russia 1941-45 is an awesome scenario. There's also the Spanish Civil War if you fancy trying something a little different... Just take your pick, enjoy, and pick the other one at a later date! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 PDE contains more features, most notably Decision Events which give the player the option to make various choices throughout the game. If it's WWII you want, it also contains the Storm of Steel scenario, which starts WWII in the spring of 1939. Plus the AI will be better in PDE than in WAW! However, WAW contains some great scenarios too, and I really wouldn't want to be without either. Battle for Russia 1941-45 is an awesome scenario. There's also the Spanish Civil War if you fancy trying something a little different... Just take your pick, enjoy, and pick the other one at a later date! Thanks for the answer, I play mostly against the computer so, how much better is the AI in PDE? is it really a notable difference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ok, I went ahead and bought Waw, will try to buy pde next month 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill101 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Excellent, have fun! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Excellent, have fun! I very happy with WAW so far and am seriously considering buying PDE... but one more question - is the map in PDE bigger? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill101 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Yes, the USA has been expanded and Mexico and Cuba are now on the map. It's good to hear you're enjoying it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Yes, the USA has been expanded and Mexico and Cuba are now on the map. It's good to hear you're enjoying it! What about Europe? has it been enlarged or is it exactly as it was in WAW? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwormwood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm not sure about the map size, but i can highly recommend PDE for its beautiful scenarios which add so much to the "standard" European War theater. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Borsook, you need to get either PDE or PT for their excellent world campaigns by Big Al and Nupremal, not to mention the decision events and upgraded AI. The one with WaW is not that great, in fact, it is obsolete and so is WaW except for the many wonderful custom scenarios made by the users. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Borsook, you need to get either PDE or PT for their excellent world campaigns by Big Al and Nupremal, not to mention the decision events and upgraded AI. The one with WaW is not that great, in fact, it is obsolete and so is WaW except for the many wonderful custom scenarios made by the users. Do you mean that AI in WAw is obsolete? No! It's just kicked my butt (although at the highest difficulty and exp)... I'm buying PDE tomorrow at latest... decided to let PT go though, run the demo for a while and somehow the pacific theater does not work for me... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yes, the AI is weak........well compared with a human. Hubert & Bill constantly work on the AI, just take a look at the scripts, they can be used to customize AI response. So anything old does not have the advantage of adjustment or the newer scripts that the development team institutes. Ha!!! You must be a newbee! No problem, we were all there once ...at least...., more for sure as SC has been around for 7 years. Anytime you fire up one of the many campaigns you have not tried, you become a newbee, exposed to the passion of being a virgin once again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted July 31, 2009 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 Yes, the AI is weak........well compared with a human. Hubert & Bill constantly work on the AI, just take a look at the scripts, they can be used to customize AI response. So anything old does not have the advantage of adjustment or the newer scripts that the development team institutes. Ha!!! You must be a newbee! No problem, we were all there once ...at least...., more for sure as SC has been around for 7 years. Anytime you fire up one of the many campaigns you have not tried, you become a newbee, exposed to the passion of being a virgin once again. I don't know if I am a newbe or not, I played quite a lot of SC2 when it first came out... Anyway so far the AI in PDE, while definitely different, does not seem better... Espescially the naval AI does strange things (is it a really good idea to buy two subs as SU)... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Borsook, glad to hear the AI is giving you a good run. We spent a lot of time fine tuning the WaW AI scripting and events and while there were some technical improvements to the AI logic for the games that followed I think the WaW AI scripts are probably some of the best as you've noticed. Reason being that the WaW AI was really the culmination of years of feedback and play testing for the European Theater that the other games have not yet benefited from... but that being said the experience from developing the WaW AI will definitely show in the other games as well as the AI is now the least likely of complaints when it comes to the SC series and by comparison to other similar games in the genre. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borsook Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 Borsook, glad to hear the AI is giving you a good run. We spent a lot of time fine tuning the WaW AI scripting and events and while there were some technical improvements to the AI logic for the games that followed I think the WaW AI scripts are probably some of the best as you've noticed. Reason being that the WaW AI was really the culmination of years of feedback and play testing for the European Theater that the other games have not yet benefited from... but that being said the experience from developing the WaW AI will definitely show in the other games as well as the AI is now the least likely of complaints when it comes to the SC series and by comparison to other similar games in the genre. Yes, the AI is really good, one of the best so far! You did a really good job with it! So far from my subjective observations AI in WAW seems indeed to be better, but AI in PDE seems to be more surpizing doing unexpected things sometimes good, sometimes bad... but not boring 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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