Lethaface Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hehe, Reincarnation does exist Did anyone recently try Hydras? Recently I run a few tests, boy did they bring pain! I area targeted some tanks (4 total) and they were blown up one piece at a time (T-55's/T-54's). Two rockets missed I guess, but all targets were destroyed. Another thing, now that I remember. I saw FOUR ammo bars for the Apache's. According to the manual it can only use 1. Chaingun, 2. Hydra's and 3. Hellfire II's. Anyone any idea what weapon that 4th ammo bar represents? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hmmm, was it centered over an icon of a 40mm grenade? If so, it's anyone's guess. Ken (Proginator of several air support UI request threads.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afreu Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Yep, the accuracy seems to be much, much better now. Sniper instead of shotgun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hey c3k, No idea... I have a screen and will check it when im home later. IRC however there are no icon's for Support mission ammo bars. The most left one was the Chain gun and the 2nd of right were the Hellfire II's. Ill post the screenie later. Cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 Ah, all those ammo icons have a 40mm icon under it So, whats the story? Them marines attached a six pack to the wing tip for extra firepower? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan8325 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Could two of the ammo bars represent AP and HE rounds for the M230 chaingun? Can the pilot even switch ammo types in mid-air? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 AFAIK, the M230 chaingun fires HEDP ammo - there is no dedicated HE or AP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 The ubiquity of the 40mm icons being used for EVERY piece of air-to-ground ordnance has been something I've posted on (complained about?) in the past. Hey, I even tossed out suggestions to improve it. Like, oh, pictures of the actual ordance with numbers instead of bars to show how many they've got. At this point, I can only hope (fervently) that the NEXT game (not module) gets a rewrite in this area. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMoria Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Yep, the accuracy seems to be much, much better now. Sniper instead of shotgun. That is not my experience based on the current game I am playing. It is taking an average of 2 rocket attacks to kill one BMP for the Apaches. Sniper....hardly. Still shotgun IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 C3k, But did you notice there are 4 ammo bars (of 40mm ammo ) ? Who has been able to unlock the mighty 'fourth' weapon? Or perhaps thats the Drunken shotgun of the gods added by BF.C? I hope anyone can clarify this. @Blackmoria, This is the first time I tried to use the rocket attack since 1.06 orso, I guess. Out of 1 rocket attack, 6 rockets were fired, 4 tanks destroyed. Thats not a shotgun IMAO However, ill test a lil more to see what will happen. Perhaps it depends on experience as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. J-sun Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 The Apache fires HEDP and HEI rounds and they are in an integrated belt in typical machine-gun fashion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 Gen. J-sun, To clarify; I guess you mean those rounds are in the same belt? Perhaps you, as an expert, have any clue as to this 4th type of ammo (no pun intended, just a lil 'breakin' of balls ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMoria Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 <snip> Out of 1 rocket attack, 6 rockets were fired, 4 tanks destroyed. Thats not a shotgun IMAO However, ill test a lil more to see what will happen. Perhaps it depends on experience as well? No, I think is more a case of 'range exercise' verses a scenario. It appears you setup for optimal conditions for positioning the tanks, most likely flat terrain and you got the result you did (you made it sound like this was a test, not a scenario, but if it was a scenario, let me know the circumstances). I was playing Operation Clean Sweep last night. Numerous BMPs dispersed and trying to avail themselves of cover by hugging treelines and between buildings. Apaches were not using Hellfires (not sure why) and either did gun or rocket attacks. Even on Point Target, the Apaches' rockets would hammer a large area and miss the target, needing to 'go around' once or twice more to take out the target. The beaten zone of the rockets are huge on 'point attack' even and my pixeltruppen were not impressed with the rocket that nearly hit them, despite being some 175 meters from the BMP being attacked. That is not sniper accuracy. That is a shotgun. Stagger and disperse your tanks in the test and try again. Let me know your results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 First ammo bar is HEI (well more explodey ammo that doesn't bounce off armor), second is HEDP (less explodey and bounces off armor), third is HellfireII and last is the hydras. Whether you can actually switch the ammo on a M230 is unknown to me. Little tooltips on these bars like on the infantry weapons would be most appreciated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 Ok so there are 2 ammo bars for chain gun ammo. Ill try to use it now @Blackmoria, it was indeed a test map made by Normal Dude, and I was using a JTAC team to spot for the Helo's, on the roof of a 4 story building on top of a steep hill I did use area target though, and they fired one rocket at a time. Ill post back if I get any combat results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMoria Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 @Blackmoria, it was indeed a test map made by Normal Dude, and I was using a JTAC team to spot for the Helo's, on the roof of a 4 story building on top of a steep hill I did use area target though, and they fired one rocket at a time. Ill post back if I get any combat results. One rocket at at time? Are you sure it isn't hellfires then? I've only played the game since just before Xmas but my experience is that rockets are fired in salvos. I could be wrong on that but a single rocket seems like a hellfire attack to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 100% sure. The explosions were quite small, but enough to take out the tanks. Ill try some more and show some screenies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Yeah those are hellfires, the rockets are fired in bursts always and can't take out tanks without lots of luck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoex Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Language difficulties with 'missiles' vs. 'rockets' here, possibly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondbrooks Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 That is not my experience based on the current game I am playing. It is taking an average of 2 rocket attacks to kill one BMP for the Apaches. Sniper....hardly. Still shotgun IMO. I agree. Taking out bunker or lone BMP is like throwing dice with bad odds. Under my latest experience i'd more willingly would send SMAW-squad to hunt it down rather than wait even 10 minutes while chopper arrives, fires few volleys and departs without much effect on vehicle (crew still alive and manning vehicle). Cannon is much worse that i expected. Vahicle can (or atleast seems to) take even tens of hits while still remaining functional. I dont' know about damages in optics, targetting or tracks and such, those might be more or less functional after all those hits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMoria Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 <snip> Cannon is much worse that i expected. Vahicle can (or atleast seems to) take even tens of hits while still remaining functional. I dont' know about damages in optics, targetting or tracks and such, those might be more or less functional after all those hits. +1 on that. Strange that a BMP can get killed with a short burst from a 25mm gun from a LAV but I have not seen a cannon kill on an armored vehicle yet from an Apache despite playing dozens of scenarios. During the current scenario, I saw an Apache do three passes on a BMP and spray scores of rounds on each pass and seemly zero effect, despite watching richochets in all directions, implying the vehicle was hit. Unimpressed with the 30 mm on the Apache. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 MMMMM, got me doubting now. The reason I thought it were rockets (hydra's) was because the explosin impacts seemed much smaller then with the heavy (hellfire) attack. However, they weren't fired in salvos. Ill do some test runs again. About cannons; In my tests I managed to take out a bmp1 using the cannon. Also in the Pooh mission I used the Cobra's chaingun to take out a BMP3. It took a few runs though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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