Runyan99 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 What? Do you think the wars are over? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Does sort of bring up the question of what's going to happen when Obama pulls the US out of Iraq, doesn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 What? Do you think the wars are over? Considering that you're from the one and only country that has used nucular weapons against civilians, it does sound a bit... ominous? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 What? Do you think the wars are over? Whether you like it or not, the nuclear genie is out of the bottle now, Runyan. There is no way you can bomb it back in there. Countries you don't like WILL get The Bomb. Heck, countries you don't like - or didn't like - have already got The Bomb. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Joch Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 No one (except Iranians) wants Iran to have the Bomb, but on the other hand no one (except maybe Israel) is willing to go to war to stop them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAI Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Nothing to do then but wait for the next mushroom cloud I guess. I expect many of us will see it in our lifetimes. And then I suppose people will say, "Why wasn't something done!?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Gimme an S Gimme a T Gimme an R Gimme an A Gimme a W Gimme an M Gimme an A Gimme an N *whoooo* *cheers* *applause* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 So, a nuclear weapon is never going to be used again? What's your argument? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 bomb the sh!t out of them <--> watch the mushrooms grow. That, my simple-minded friend, is a strawman since no one has suggested just sitting back and waiting for the bottles of instant sunshine to be uncorked. It's also a false dilemma since there are plenty of other options between the only two that you could come up with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Oh. The international community will prevent nuclear proliferation with diplomacy. Sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 You do agree, though, that your argument is fallacious. Right? You're looking at the wrong problem. Why do we have to prevent proliferation? I don't care - really - who has nukes. I'd just rather they didn't use them. NonPro - carried out forcefully or peacefully - is an approach to that goal, but it isn't the only approach. See, again, you're doing that false dilemma thing. Say, do you have any arguments that aren't fallacious? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Um, yeah. Iran funds and supplies Hizbollah, a terrorist organization sworn to the destruction of Israel. Therefore, it seems allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a bad idea, to be prevented with force if necessary. How do you see it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Also, the President of Iran has stated that the solution to the Middle Eastern situation is the destruction of Israel. I have to take him at his word. Therefore, this also seems like a good reason to prevent the development of a nuclear weapon by Iran. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/03/AR2006080300629.html The non-interventionist postition is what? He doesn't mean it? He's bluffing? We don't care? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costard Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 bomb the sh!t out of them <--> watch the mushrooms grow. That, my simple-minded friend, is a strawman since no one has suggested just sitting back and waiting for the bottles of instant sunshine to be uncorked. It's also a false dilemma since there are plenty of other options between the only two that you could come up with. Thanks for the links, JonS. A valuable resource there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Costard: you're welcome. Runyan: Since you just keep putting up fallacious arguments, forget it. Go argue with a mirror or something. I'm sure you'll enjoy yourselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Fallacious arguments? That's a total rejection of reality. I guess I'm imagining the Arab Israeli conflict. Live in a mental bubble of peace if you want, but one day the real world will come crashing in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Yes, you're right: using fallacious arguments is a total rejection of reality. Good work, you got something right in this thread. Now ... the mirror's over there. Off you go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 You just cannot see things as they are, can you. It's too painful, isn't it? Better to create a fantasy world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Uh, dude - the world with all the false dilemmas is the fantasy one. Now, who was it espousing fallacies again? Oh, right. That would be you. Say "hello" to the pink unicorn and the tooth fairy for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Nothing to do then but wait for the next mushroom cloud I guess. I expect many of us will see it in our lifetimes. And then I suppose people will say, "Why wasn't something done!?" Really, like was done with Saddam's WMD? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Also, the President of Iran has stated that the solution to the Middle Eastern situation is the destruction of Israel. I have to take him at his word. Therefore, this also seems like a good reason to prevent the development of a nuclear weapon by Iran. I find your attitude to this hilarious, given that your nation happily gave the Bomb to the hands of a man who started a war because God spoke to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Really, like was done with Saddam's WMD? So, let's be clear. Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon? Is that so? As for your other comment about giving the bomb to someone, I don't follow. You'll have to elaborate for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 The Iraq case taught us to leave these kinds of things to IAEA. Where's your outrage on Indian and Pakistani nucular weapons? Why don't the hawks want to bomb them? If India has a right for nuclear weapons because neighbours on both sides have them, then why should Iran be any different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 To quote Mao, how many divisions does the IAEA have? As for India and Pakistan, they don't seem to be governed by Islamic fundamentalists bent on the destruction of Israel. At least, Pakistan has not been, but that may change post Musharrif. Why are the Iranian apologists bending over backwards to ignore the rhetoric that comes out of that country? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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