Apache Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Some time ago I had a game called Steel Beasts which I never really got into BUT the sounds of the Abrams' when their engines were fired up (or even when at the idle with just the 'electrics' ticking over) were superb. Presumably BF will be giving the normal attention to detail to the vehicle sounds? Also, when putting vehicles into the CM equivalent of 'Hide' (if there will be such an option) will there be a noticeble shut down in engine noise (just so I can continually start them up again )? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudel.dietrich Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Steel Beasts is an amazing game. I shelled out $125 for the PE version last year As to the 'hide' question From talking to M1 tankers, and I could be wrong here. But I do not think you can idle those engines. As I understand it, the engine has the same power output the entire time the engine is running. The only difference is how much power the driver wishes to use. A diesel engine on the other hand, like what you find in the Leopard can be idled. However from talking to Leopard tankers, the engines in modern tanks are so powerful that in order to 'hide' they turn the engines completly off. The engines can be restarted quickly in the event of danger or needing to move. I know CMSF will not model it. But diesel engines have another huge advantage over the turbine engine found in the M1. Fuel consumption. The M1 uses a incredible 50 gph no matter if the tank is 'ideling' or traveling at top speed. The Leopard on the other hand uses 50 gph if it is traveling at top speed, but only 5 gph if idled. America is the only nations with the logistics and fuel resources to feed such a ineffcient tank. M1 tankers defend the turbine engine to their deaths. But I really wonder if the Abrams had a traditional diesel engine if performance would be any different. Most modern tanks have similar mobillity to the Abrams but use far less fuel. Food for thought. Im sure the M1 tankers on this forum will give me hell now The tank is an amazing piece of weaponary with virtualy no flaws and an amazing combat record. But since its now my job to deal with the resource side of war, I have to wonder if the turbine engine is all that nessacary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 The Aussies have diesel M1A1s now. I wonder what their experience is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TC Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Usually, if you are in defense, hull-down in a battle position, the engine can be shut down, but for short periods of time. All the electronics use a lot of power, and last thing in battle you want is dead batteries. BTW, when a platoon of tanks is together, they all start their engines at the same time, otherwise the enemy can count how many tanks are their by the engine noise. You could do the same to the enemy. If your engine is running, you cant really hear anyone around you. So you could shut down the engine, listen for enemies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Don't the M1A2s have a secondary diesel engine for use when stationary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TC Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Yeah, its basicaly a diesel generator, but its an external unit that hooks up in the back, and you normally dont have them with you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 As to the Turbine, remember that the M1 was created during the 70's and the turbine gave much better performance so they decided to go with it despite the fuel use. The Next-Gen U.S. tank will have a diesel because the advances with these engines make them a better option than the turbine. Still, there is nothing quite like the sound of an M1 starting. You expect to see a column of flame shooting out the back and hear the theme from Batman in the background. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Which brings me to another engine related point. Abrams are rather famous for being somewhat infantry unfriendly. Somehow the ground pounders don't like being subjected to the scorching heat from it's exhausts. Not simulated, I assume? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 They're great for drying out when it rains. Just a few seconds and you're bone dry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Originally posted by M1A1TankCommander: Yeah, its basicaly a diesel generator, but its an external unit that hooks up in the back, and you normally dont have them with you Why not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TC Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I dont know why not.Perhaps because I served on early version of M1A1s so maybe they didnt have APUs yet.And I think M1A2s cant use them Some good photos here of tanks with APUs Tanks with APU Here is a forum posting about it APUs in combat Also a blog, check at the buttom of the page Tank Blog [ February 23, 2007, 05:55 AM: Message edited by: M1A1TankCommander ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hmmm interesting, ta...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tc237 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I think the M1A2 APU is under-armor, in the rear, near the batteries. They use a different battery system that leaves room for the apu. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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