Cpl Steiner Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Douglas, I noticed this too but wasn't quite sure. In the 2nd battle scenario ("Al-something", in which you have to clear a town of insurgents) I put the camera in the middle of the map and panned around. The frame rate seemed to drop the most when the camera was looking out over the crops at the edge of the town. The frame-rate hit of crops and grass does seem to be the culprit. What's more, I think BFC know this already, as the cut-off distance for drawing grass and crops is closer to the viewpoint at the lower 3D settings. We need some sort of reduced grass detail mode that draws grass further away but maybe less detailed grass or less dense grass. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 Double post removed. For grins I decided to remove the first post rather than the second. [ September 11, 2007, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: Sitting Duck ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 Originally posted by SlapHappy: Sitting Duck I didn't see much, if any, improvement (6-7 FPS worst-case). I have the 8600GTS card (Nvidia). I noticed that your 1650 Pro has 512 MB of video memory. I only have 256 MB. I wonder how much of a difference that makes? Incidentally you don't even have to start a mission to test map performance. You can load up the map in the scenario editor and switch to 3-D view. Using fraps will give you a good idea what to expect for performance. I'm disappointed in not getting some FPS love with the new patch. I'm going to try the latest driver set and see if that helps at all. I'm not sure how much difference the amount of video ram makes. I'm not sure about using the editor. I wanted a single, easily repeatable method to load a scenario to test frame rates under a variety of settings. Loading Allah's Fist provided a good test. The jump in frame rates from v1.02 to v1.03 was considerable (6 FPS to 17 FPS). The jump in frame rates from catalyst 7.8 to 7.9 is also considerable (17 FPS to 24 FPS). I'm now going to try the ATI quake wars hotfix and see what difference that makes. [ September 11, 2007, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: Sitting Duck ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 I didn't get any increase in frame rate when using the Quake wars hot fix. Still held steady @ 24 FPS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peleprodigy Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Just read through doesn't look like anyone is getting good frame rates at best/best. sort of a challenge to the conventional wisdom that only some are having problems. I would characterize it more as 'Some don't think they have a problem' [ September 22, 2007, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: peleprodigy ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted September 22, 2007 Author Share Posted September 22, 2007 Originally posted by peleprodigy: Just read through doesn't look like anyone is getting good frame rates at best/best. sort of a challenge to the conventional wisdom that only some are having problems. I would characterize it more as 'Some don't think they have a problem' I'm not using best/best. I'm using fastest/fastest... I listed the settings that I'm using for comparison purposes in my first post. Here are my CMSF settings: CMSF Options: Display: 1024x768 Vert Synch: Off 3D Model: Fastest 3D Texture: Fastest Anti-Alias: On High Priority: Off ATI Left-click: Off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peleprodigy Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Right. And at fastest/fastest people should be getting like 60 fps. My point is that i am not finding anyone running at best/best. Actually I am keeping this post near the top because someone said in another post that there were a lot of people having no problems at best/best....still looking for those people though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 Originally posted by Sitting Duck: What's your frame rate? Load Allah's Fist with the following settings: Scenario: Allahs's Fist Play: turn-based, Blue Difficulty: Elite CMSF Options: Display: 1024x768 Vert Synch: Off 3D Model: Fastest 3D Texture: Fastest Anti-Alias: On High Priority: Off ATI Left-click: Off ATI RadeonX 1650 Pro VRAM: 512 AGP: 8x AGP Aperture: 32MB 16-bit color 60 Hz (LCD) FRAPS = 6 When Allah's Fist is loaded as the Blue Player, you are positioned looking down the long dimension of the map. I'm curious what frame rates others are experiencing at this position with these settings. My framerate seems quite low and my mouse has quite a bit of lag - usable but annoying. The framerate does increase as I rotate and face the map edges that are closer (less map is visible on screen). You can get FRAPS here: http://www.fraps.com/download.php I'm now up to 58 FPS! That's about a 10x improvement over where I was initially. Good job! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Sitting Duck: did you ever try using a higher value for AGP aperture? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adultery Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 35 fps everything maxed at 1440x990 C2D 6300 2gig ram 7600gt audigy 4 soundcard i get great performance, way better than some who have better rigs than me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekra Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Around 45 fps in Allahs Fist now with 1.04 using best / best with multisample on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 > 60fps average running CMSF Better / Better @ 1280x1024 Running on; Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2666mhz MSI 8800GTS OC 575MHz / 640mb GigaByte GA-P35-DS3R 2 x 1GB Patriot Extreme DDR2 1066 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 Originally posted by SlowMotion: Sitting Duck: did you ever try using a higher value for AGP aperture? No. Do you think it would make a difference for this test? Do you think it would make a difference in normal use? I have 512MB of VRAM on the card...what does the aperture size have to do with video performance? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Well, I tried your 32MB setting and it didn't make big difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Originally posted by Sitting Duck: ...what does the aperture size have to do with video performance? It helps. I forget exactly why, something like bandwidth, but it does in most cases help performance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNac Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 agp aperture does help obviously if your card is runs on AGP bus lol. most graphic cards now run on pci-e 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 PCI Express x 16 in fact - if we want to be picky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsleOfMule Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Originally posted by Sitting Duck: What's your frame rate? Load Allah's Fist with the following settings: Scenario: Allahs's Fist Play: turn-based, Blue Difficulty: Elite CMSF Options: Display: 1024x768 Vert Synch: Off 3D Model: Fastest 3D Texture: Fastest Anti-Alias: On High Priority: Off ATI Left-click: Off ATI RadeonX 1650 Pro VRAM: 512 AGP: 8x AGP Aperture: 32MB 16-bit color 60 Hz (LCD) FRAPS = 6 When Allah's Fist is loaded as the Blue Player, you are positioned looking down the long dimension of the map. I'm curious what frame rates others are experiencing at this position with these settings. My framerate seems quite low and my mouse has quite a bit of lag - usable but annoying. The framerate does increase as I rotate and face the map edges that are closer (less map is visible on screen). You can get FRAPS here: http://www.fraps.com/download.php With 1.03: - same settings as you: 40 - textures and 3D model maxed out: 8 With 1.04: - same settings as you: 60 - textures and 3D model maxed out: 37 Well, yes, huge improvement with 1.04, particularly with high settings !!! My rig: - Athlon64X2 3800 - 2GB RAM - NVIDIA 7800 GT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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