13,000 bullets in the night...

[c3k]

Kudos. I've just run some tests. I took a dismounted Stryker platoon and "acquired" some extra ammo.

One MMG team was laden with over 13k 7.62 rounds. The other, 700 rounds.

One squad "acquired" all 5.56 rounds from 4 Strykers (12.8k ?), plus 8 Javelins. That was in addition to their normal load-out.

Then, I QUICKED the entire platoon 500 meters.

The laden men kept up. At first. Then, they strung out, with the lead men keeping up with their lightly loaded brethren. A few minutes later, they stopped QUICK-ing and started MOVE-ing.

The loaded men were either "Fatigued" or "Exhausted" whilst the others were merely "Tired".

This was nicely modelled.

Thanks.

Regards,

Ken

[Yskonyn]

cool post, thanks for sharing.

[Battlefront.com]

Thanks! There are some refinements that I'd like to see, such as better weight distribution amongst individuals, but basically it works quite well. At least for the US side. Oversight left the Syrian APC/IFVs without goodies to acquire We're going to get that fixed up VERY soon.

Steve

[Pandur]

Oversight left the Syrian APC/IFVs without goodies to acquire We're going to get that fixed up VERY soon.

many moons ago i did a thread about this("rearm for red!?").

there it was said that this was planed from start but just didnt made it in, and now this, many thanks thats awsome, this will keep red vs red battles lasting longer!

[Echo]

Um, an MMG (4 men) team couldn't even stand up if it had 13K 7.62 rounds. Eight men couldn't do it. A 1000 round ammo crate of .308 ball ammo weighs 66lbs. 13K rounds is 858lbs, or 214lbs per man. If 8 men carried it, 107lbs per man...doable, but they aint running nowhere, and arent walking very far either.

Alright then, I'm done boring you.

[the Fighting Seabee]

C3K,

Thanks, I was just wondering about that. I know there's something about it in the manual but I never really noticed anything during gameplay.

[cool breeze]

Yeah Echo good point, but he had to go to all the strykers to get that much ammo, it wasnt expected. looking forward to battling some one! Whens the low wall bug fix coming? Have you noticed that high walls should make strykers hull down? Merry Christmas!

[c3k]

Echo,

Yeah, somewhere theres a limit where you load your men down and then "crack!", a femur snaps. Then you let them take something off.

I was going to dig around for the weight of bulk ammo, but never got to it. We'll accept your figure for the nonce. (Note: I found some weights and dispute your numbers; see the bottom of this post.)

I like the burden I put on the 9 man squad. 8 Javelins (but the game only shows one - no one had the launcher. I thought it would take up a slot and not add enough weight), plus ~13k additional 5.56 ammo. Less of a load per man than the MMG team. (I used the 3 man team for the heavy load to exacerbate the disparity.)

For the suspension of disbelief crowd, perhaps one guy keeps shuffling back and forth with piles of ammo...

Edited to add the following:

I've just found some weights on, sorry, Wikipedia. They list 5.56x45mm as 3.95-5.18 g/round (depending on specific round) and 7.62x51mm as 9.33g/r. So, after some simple math we have:

13,000 rounds of 7.62x51 = 123 kilograms or 269 pounds (differences due to rounding 269 #'s is the more accurate).

269 pounds on 3 men = an additional 90 pounds each. Hard, very hard, but doable. Think of slinging a wounded buddy on your back. A skinny buddy.

As for the 5.56, doing the same math and using 5g as the weight and using 9 men we have:

a paltry 7.2kg or 16 pounds per man. Bah. That's less weight than the porn mags in their rucks.

Wikipedia lists the Javelin missile as weighing 26 pounds.

Total plus-up of 42 pounds. It'll wear you out, but short sprints and long marches can be done.

Again, all according to Wikipedia.

It sucks to hump a machinegun.

Regards,

Ken

[ December 22, 2007, 05:18 AM: Message edited by: c3k ]