DEMO-Malta effect is too weak

[vveedd]

Hinder supplies for Axis forces in Africa to my opinion is not enough. In WWII history Hitler and Mussolini have had huge problem how to transport supplies for forces already in Africa and NEW FORCES to Africa. So my suggestion is simple: if Allies have air unit in Malta this unit should intercept all transports to Tripoli port. Interception can work the same as it works for enemy air fleets or bombers. Also you can have air escort for transports which will work on same principle like escort works for bombers.

[Blashy]

That would be too strong.

Sure supply was an issue, but the biggest issue is that Hitler never listened to Rommel, had he, the UK would have been out of Africa, at least Egypt and the middle east.

NOTE: with a Bomber on Malta I can pretty much keep both ports under 5 of supply constantly.

[TC27]

Sure supply was an issue, but the biggest issue is that Hitler never listened to Rommel, had he, the UK would have been out of Africa, at least Egypt and the middle east.

Actually I would contend supply was the main issue, Rommels advanced beyond the ability of axis logistics to support him, unless the axis had gained control of Malta and gained naval superioty then even advancing into Egypt was always going to end in defeat. (as it did)

[Blashy]

Well we will disagree on this one, you do not need Malta to bring enough troops to Tobruk to remove the Allies from Egypt and middle east.

You have 5 Italian naval units, make proper use of them and you can bring in all the firepower needed to eliminate the Allies as a threat from Egypt.

All the Axis needed to do was send the proper troops to kick them out, that was not Hitler's point of view and as usual his point of view was wrong.

[TaoJah]

Out of curiosity : do you people bother with Africa ?

I usually only take out Vichy France and that's about it. What sort of force does it takes to concer Egypt anyway ?

And is it just me or does the AI in SCII adds more troops in Egypt, making it hard to take ? That's what it did in the demo, anyway.

[Blashy]

It all depends if you are comfortable with the possibility of the Allies attacking from 2 positions...

[Retributar]

Anyone know how to take out MALTA?.

I have tried by using the Italian Air-Fleet to try soften up MALTA, then the 4-Italian Cruiser & Battleship groups to do the same.

Problem is, is that this use of Italian resouces is largely ineffective???...it doesn't work?.

If i can't soften MALTA up somehow!,...then i don't want to Amphibious Attack it with ground troops to take it out until MALTA can be softened up 1st!.

Has anyone got a working proven formula as to... how MALTA can be taken?.

[Terif]

To take Malta is pretty simple:

- first you need to hinder allied supply to Malta so it can´t be reinforced any more (and also not evacuated )

- to do this: bomb the fortress out of order with your italian ships and the port with AFs and/or ships

- So the allied defender has only a supply of 1 left and can be killed by the up to 4 axis AFs from Sicily (2 turns to unentrench, then kill it)

[Retributar]

Hello Terif! :

Thank's for your suggestion's!. Now!, Question!!!...Question!!!.

1. How do we go about 'Hindering Supply To MALTA?'.

2. Our previous Air Fleet Bombardment, Cruiser/Battleship Bombardment trick resulted in too many Blank-Shots ['0' or Negative Attack Result!].

There-in lies the Paradox of our problem!.

[Terif]

Your ships should be in supply when attacking - replenish them in port before you start your attack. Then they have an expected damage of 1-2 vs fortress and port. After bombing them out of order don´t forget to bomb both to 0 every turn again so they can´t recover. Priority for ships is the fortress since port can be attacked by AFs if necessary.

[jon_j_rambo]

Yep, bombs away! The green man is studying in his swamp bunker.

[Desert Dave]

Terif, making it sound like a visit into the easy-does-it Mystic:

Your ships should be in supply when attacking - replenish them in port before you start your attack. Then they have an expected damage of 1-2 vs fortress and port. After bombing them out of order don´t forget to bomb both to 0 every turn again so they can´t recover. Priority for ships is the fortress since port can be attacked by AFs if necessary.

Meanwhile,

The Royal Navy,

Reinforced, and

WITH "upgraded" Carriers,

Is doing what, exactly?

All depends on WHERE you are at

In the course of the war,

And WHEN you apply "counter-measures."

Also,

WHO got what tech advances and when,

Presuming the Wily Foe had anticipated

Such a predictable?

Assault on Malta.

How many AF's - which NOW do not have

Abilities as "naval bombers"

**(... did you purchase your own

naval bomber in time to lend support,

or, could you not even afford it,

given requirement for sufficient armor?)

Any longer,

Would you reckon you'd need?

And if they spend inordinate amounts

Of valuable time - in Sicily,

TRYING this gambit,

Where else are they - not?

Vis a Vis the UK Bomber?

Or, better deployed assisting ground pounders

Slogging through mountains

Of Balkan region

Which may or may not be inundated

With mud and rain and snow?

So much to do,

So little time,

Not as many MPP's.

Maybe you could pull this off,

Maybe not.

SO-o-o-o many possiblities! :cool:

Which is WHY

I would want to see Green Man

Versus

Whoever is determined

#2, or #3, or #4 world-class player,

In that suggested TCP game.

[ April 17, 2006, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

[Terif]

Yep, taking Malta is easy if it is the only task you want to achieve - but usually you will have better things to do than a siege of Malta that will most likely take several months and consume too many ressources for a doubtful value.

So I personally most probably never will take Malta by force in the game - simply not worth it. My units, especially the AFs have much more important tasks at that time .

[Desert Dave]

Speaking historically,

And once Fleigerkorps X had utterly

DECIMATED

That little mid Med island,

So much so that there were barely

More than a fist-full

Of kite-like bi-planes

Able to defend,

Churchill himself gave VERY serious consideration

To just... abandoning the place.

Politics probably finally put that to rest.

IE,

IF he would so easily abandon

The courageous population there,

Where else?

Might he also fall aside so easily?

What OTHER out-post

Would then have LESS resolve?

Who else would THEN doubt the back-bone

In the far-flung Empire,

Upon which the sun never sets?

The GErmans opted for Crete.

Closer to eastern Med fleets

And perhaps, if lucky,

In & out-bound transports,

Not to mention,

Keeping UK bombers

Out of range of the Ploesti oil-fields.

In the process, they lost FSJ

For duration, essentially,

Which was a major defeat,

Snatched from other potential victories,

IMHO.