Liam Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Liam Allies Terif Axis 1939 In typical fashion I make a great error with my RN, I send out a weak taskforce into Norway, lose 2 amphibs as the Kriegsmarine is obviously scouting and on top of that I am surrounded and will probably lose more ships!!! UK Surface vessels pound Axis Subs, and take a few shots at the RN Surface Fleet mostly missing due to poor weather, drawing a littile blood on 1 U-boat... In Poland, the whole rotten system collapses beneath Goosestepping boots! They crush us like a Grape... No resistance.. However the French show some Will, Ahistorically, drawing blood on a few Corps and Armies, nothing much to write home about but maybe enough to compensate for the weak Allied presence eslewhere. So far as Disaster but we will strive onward we will never surrender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Yep, the allied commander showed in previous wars a habit not to protect his Norway expedition but instead to send his ships on anti-subwarfare duty in the Atlantic . So in this war it was time to make him pay the price and sink UK´s amphib army and corps (cut off cruiser will shortly follow when the ice melts away and storms calm down ), especially as at first he didn´t send the french fleet towards Norway - so only a lousy RN cruiser (now str 4), one french battleship and a carrier seem to be in the area In our mirror game with Liam Axis, german fleet commanders also heavily cursed their high command for a screwed up operation against Denmark that now is heavily defended and staying allied - so the combined anglo-french fleet just hunt them down in the Baltic...they try to hide near the swedish port, but it doesn´t help any more...a french battle line with 2 carriers behind them is just making short process with them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 9, 2007 Author Share Posted April 9, 2007 Yep, kiddies, do not send your amphibious fleet without escort to Norway!!! What a disaster!!! Regardless a German Panzer get pinched down to strength 2 in France, too bad could've finish her off with some battleships, everything is out of the zone... or a dead panzer would given me some sort of payback... That's them their are the breaks friends, though the loss of a mere 300 MPPs for UK is no Surrender. Even a Cruiser, another few hundred MPPs... Allies we got all the time in the World and it's likely I can rebuild those in the forcepool in 1943 when I do D-day, the Axis on the other hand, they've got a schedule and Winter just hit so France stays Blue for now In the Mirror game: Axis are slowly moving toward the West, and Yes, Kriegsmarine is getting polished off the Swede Coast.. Why aren't the damned Swedes throwing in their lot with us!!! Carrier Strikes of their coastline, you'd think they'd have some patriotic qualities! Neutral Bastages Regardless in the mirror game, no real losses, just boats. And God knows he can't hold Denmark forever, and somewhere else, there will always be something that gives Where there is no Frog, there is a Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Poor Liam, terrible start in both games and vs. the hand of god of SC2 (as I stated before, God is Hubert in this game). Time to try something innovative and risky Liam . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 @Blashy --- No Hubert is not God of SC2, but maybe the 2nd god (lowercase) of SC2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: @Blashy --- No Hubert is not God of SC2, but maybe the 2nd god (lowercase) of SC2. He coded the game, the creator is God. Nuff said . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 @Blashy --- No Tony, it is not enough said. Claiming Hubert as God is not true. If you wish to declare Hubert as god of SC2, lowercase, then you may have that argument. Take an English class to learn about "uppercase" versus "lowercase". Get saved to know God versus god. -Legend (uppercase) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: @Blashy --- No Tony, it is not enough said. Claiming Hubert as God is not true. If you wish to declare Hubert as god of SC2, lowercase, then you may have that argument. Take an English class to learn about "uppercase" versus "lowercase". Get saved to know God versus god. -Legend (uppercase) I don`t believe in God (or God(s) at all) as you do so I use the word as I choose . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 I'm rather sad you do not believe in God Take spiritual inventory & search the scriptures. "He" is nigh to your heart my SC friend. He is risen! -Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n0kn0k Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 God is just a cruel joke Anyway, can't wait to see the screenshots again Tnx for the AAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 God is gracious Anyway, can't wait to see the screenshots again! Thx for the AAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Game 1: Allies get smooshed, lose that cruiser in the Baltic. My French Forces barely scratch Terif's Mighty Armored divisions... Though a german Army is reduced to half by one of the forward DeGaulle Legions... Then Winter falls, it is only righteous that this should happen, God Willed it to the French People and their righteous Fight! Game 2: Axis sit and just stagnate in bad weather, when things warm up so will our engines! Axis Fleet will be likely completely destroyed. Hopefully a few Allied vessels also die, and the entire French Fleet would've gone free!!! P.S. Bad starts yes, maybe something innovative would be nice but really the loss of a fleet for axis or alternatively for the Allies in SC is a small loss of land units won't kill the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 P.S. a lot of people wonder how that Terif is such a SC2 powerhouse. I've heard rumours that he cheats, or must have hacks.. Or he's subhuman, you name it... Truth be told this man keeps a lot of Notes and he also knows math well. He probably has a MapChart he uses, very simple tools any wargamer might have. I am assuming this, and he pays very close attention to detail. From some of the things he's written, Terif strikes me as the type who could be highly rated with math... not neccessarily a 10, but definitely very good with it... All this I mention because in my previous game, it was mentioned how I shortchanged my Norway Invasion. Also there has been so much debate why he's so very good at this game. With my so so powers of observation and gut instincts, which I use rather those other tools I can tell as much. Which I think gives me the closest ability to defeat Terif Good Luck All, and Good luck Terif, I'm studying you my little green friend, we all know who the second best Is in this game, (Cackles) "hahahhaahah!" [ April 09, 2007, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: Liam ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Terif just does what no one else bothers to do. He's studied every script and understands them totally as well as what Liam states, he studies the game more than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck_TAR Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I guess if the Germans studied the scripts they would have won WW2 or if the Russians read them they would have been ready for the invasion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Yes, prophesy is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollyguy Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Like a good poker player, Terif pays attention to the tendencies of each player. He has never tried to block a Norway invasion of mine, because he knows I protect it to the maximum extent possible, including keeping my two carriers close at hand. Norway is a strategic area, and losing an army and corp and a couple ships takes a lot longer to recover from than a couple turns of sub raiding. But he also knows other things I tend to repeat and exploits them accordingly, and I’ve tried to do the same. If you read his posts he advises time and again that players need to alter their routines. One of the fundamental things Terif does is pay attention to where his opponent’s units are, which telegraphs where there aren’t. This comes from knowing the order of battle of each side so well. I think if we all just took a moment to analyze where our opponents units are, that we would be able to concentrate firepower like he does. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 I think you are all right and are all wrong a bit. I said originally I see very clearly that Terif actually is calculating his opponent's moves by Action Point and by looking at the grid, down to the point I think he may use what actual true Military Tacticians use in the drawing room, one I have been fortunate to have been in one. You know the map with the marker and eraser? He Projects, as Jolly Guy say's where and when he expects you... Though he actually calculates the variables and prepares for a contigency if he feels you may throw in an oddball. As Blashy says, he knows what will happen with the game engine, most of the time, simple notes! and there you go, that 25% advantage on anyone on any terrain at any time. Unless of course they have that over him. I see those players that surpass him in a few games are very unpredictable though they are not able to keep this up for long. He finds their patterns and within a few games has them well underhand... Very Superb NoteTaking, forcasting and basic military tactics.. This guy could be ex-Officer tactician level gamer We of course, can do this too. Very simply, with about 25 bucks and a little planning and a notebook and the time, which we all devote to the game, anyway playing it... We would know what is next. I also note that Terif is very aware, vivid in game... That shows the essence of strong presence. My gut instincts show the best of the best even without the grease pen and the notes: Men like HR, men like JollyGuy rising to the occassion learning through error and myself, Iron Ranger, Rambo... Many other fellows on here have the capability, Taojah.. They get caught up in the variables and let it get them down. Quote "I have surrendered more games than I have lost," The Germans did study the scripts, most of the German Generals wanted a Treaty after France. Hitler did not.. Thus they lost Oh and did I mention that Terif raises the level of play of everyone in the SC2 Forum, he is better than anyone and we all emulate his moves. Though anyone one of the player's I've had the fortune to play above can beat you to death if you should even fall asleep at SC2 wheel for a year or two... Terif has had more time behind the wheel, I doubt as many of you devote as much time to SC2 as he does.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 Game 1 1940: Weather is breaking, my French Forces hammer a German Paratrooper to less than half strength, Terif wisely unentrenched our HQ from the Parisien Capitol, that country will fall soon... Nothing much less to report in Game 2 there isn't much to report, I am seeing my Kriegsmarine being halved so far, and France is being assualted, hopefully in time to save the last U-Boat and Cruiser I have remaining near Lulea Port Sweden. Lost cause though I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaoJah Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Originally posted by Liam: our HQ from the Parisien CapitolYou do that with him too ? Why ? Why put the HQ in Paris and not the tank, army or corps ? Is it so you can attack with those land units ? I ALWAYS defend Paris with the tank, but I don't know if it's the optimal strategy HvH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bromley Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I can see an (untested) argument that the HQ in Paris might be optimal. HQs don't have morale (readiness=strength), thus taking the sting out of air attacks and maximising your use of the city bonuses and your own entrenchement levels. I'm a DCR man though. I suspect Liam is as well but was trying to surprise Terif with a quick DCR assault whilst a chunk of Terif's forces were in Norway . EDIT: Ignore the bit about Terif's land forces being in Norway as they haven't said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Good observation, it absorbs those air attacks when entrenched with a lot of armies surrounding it, it is hard to kill! but ultimately the DCR at entrenchment 6 is hard to destroy and is great combined with an Army to knockoff a German Army or Tank itself... I gambled with my DCR to kill a Panzer, and I misplaced my whole fleet, shame, could've killed 2 panzers vs Taojah, I killed both of his panzers thinking ahead of time... not a big loss as he can rebuild those puppies but morally it hurts a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaoJah Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Hmmmm ? vs Taojah, I "killed both of his panzers' ? Unless there is something in the next turn (that I am waiting on since monday), you only killed one ! But then again, compared to other descriptions that yoàu give of our games, doubling the number of casualities is less then usual with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Game as Allies: It is June 16, 1940 - 2 french armies in Maginot are still resisting the invaders while 2 others in front of Paris defend the fully entrenched tank unit in the city. An already heavily damaged but uncautious german army gets first reduced to str 1 by those french armies and finally killed by 3 airstrikes. German losses in France now 2 units: 1 army, 1 corps. Meanwhile the french fleet finishes its business in the Baltic, sinking sub and cruiser near Narvik. Now only 1 damaged cruiser hiding in Königsberg port remains (old mistake many players make: it got repaired several times, despite the bulk of the german fleet already sunk so it is not even a threat to the Royal Navy only costing german mpps and not a single one on the british side...) and the Atlantic sub, just raiding convois to Egypt... Game as Axis - June 2nd, 1940: No Royal Navy in the british channel...no ground forces built for defence...time to get the price... Italian air spotts an empty London, so german paratroopers catch the next planes and take the undefended city - british citizens reliefed about the near end of the war threw a welcome party on the streets, greeting with balloons and confetti the now in port arriving german HQ staff and endless columns of soldiers, disembarking from transports. Airfields around London get overhauled while german fighters land in their new bases of operation. Meanwhile Tobruk sees a massive buildup of a mixed Axis expedition force before moving towards Alexandria and the "German Afrika Korps" got officially established . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Yes, In our Mirror Game myself As Allies, BIG ERROR... Terif makes a dash across the channel, The British make a great effort to evacaute the Island before the entire German Army Arrives, Seems Chamberlain remained in Power due to some political error, even the Italians are flying!!! Alexandria is all the Axis need to end this war and the game, this is the shortest game I've ever actually played through if Terif gets his goals in time... the other I actually defended France to the Death of Germany.. I am ashamed! As myself As Axis, Axis lose a corps, army, Paratrooper... Bad scouting and bad placement.. And their fleet, but we will strive on... Never know when luck may endure enough to replace those valuable MPPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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