Berlichtingen Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Just got a new iMac. It has a Geforce2 MX video card. the problem I am having with it doesn't seem to have come up in the various Geforce2 MX threads. Two problems: CM seems to be rending in software (tres ugly). The cursor disappears every three files (pbem processing) or so... forcing me to force quit and restart. Any clues? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 I'm having some problems with my new iMac G4 but not any problems that you are getting. How have you set up your hard drive? How many copies of 9.2 do you have on your hard drive, and if so which copy are you using to play CM My only problem is the text. I can't tell how men I have left in a squad, when will my artillery fall. I'm just missing my info text. This is all slight problem compared to previous post about the nvidia. My last iMac had no problems but its graphics were pixelated compared to this powerful new machine. I think I'll settle for better and faster graphics than no text. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 Originally posted by Hoopenfaust 101: How many copies of 9.2 do you have on your hard drive, and if so which copy are you using to play CM.Just the one and I haven't made any real changes to the default setup. And I am booting into 9 rather than X 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Tell me if you can see text....cuz I can't. Some text I can see but most....no. How do you like the screen so far? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 As posted in another thread, I installed a new set of Nvidia drivers yesterday and I am having a variety of problems with CM. The one most relevant to the present discussion is that, while I can still see text in the unit information screens, I can't see text in the save screen. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 I see all the text. Everything is pixelated and there are obvious breaks between the tiles. That and the cursor disappears periodically 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Berli, I'll send you a couple of different sets of NVidia/Open GL extensions other than the ones I have already sent you to see if anything improves. Gyrene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 Originally posted by Gyrene: Berli, I'll send you a couple of different sets of NVidia/Open GL extensions other than the ones I have already sent you to see if anything improves.Merci beaucoup. Reading these various threads has be completely confused. It seems that what works for one person doesn't for another. I've been a Mac user since '85 and I've never seen a problem like this one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 All these problems come from Apples decision to drop RAVE graphics support. Since NVidia came to mac market only after rave was declared dead, they havent been too much into writing better rave support for their drivers. But your problem is something else completely. Did you try scavenging the Extensions and Settings folders for ATI exensions. Those might cause a conflict. Oh, just thought of one more thing that might be the root of the problems. :eek: OS X installs some crap into the Classic system it uses. I forgot what exactly, but it was reported to cause problems when booting into 9. I've found it better to have two partitions, one for X and accompanying OS 9, the other one for clean uncrapped OS 9. Might be a tad inconvenient to reformat&repartition the HD just to see if it helps any, admitted... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Hey Berl Did your system come default mac Os X. Mine did. I'll install these "new" drivers when I get home and check back with the thread. My computer is 4 days old and I set up my hard drive like this. 1st partition: Mac OS X and Classic 9 2nd partition: Mac OS 9.2.2 3rd partition: Swap file Like the rest of the mac guys in this thread, I've been using macs since system 7 and I'm the mac tech at work so I know what I'm doing (for the most part). There is a RAVE classic extension in my system folder but I'm not sure if I disable it or what. This is all new to me. Cheers to the iMac G4 owners 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 nvidia drivers 2.6 did nothing. Oh well.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Yeah, aint it fun. You know your mac inside out for years, then suddenly you're a know nuthin' newbie. Classic RAVE, I think that's something X puts in OS9 it uses. That might have been just the thing that craps up OS9 when booted in 9, but needs to be there when booted in X. So if it's in the 9 that's in X partition, leave it there. But if it's in the 9 partition, it shouldnt be. In that case check that X is actually using the right classic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 There's something else going on here that we are all missing. The OpenGL-NVidia drivers that came with the last OS update (9.2.2?) fixed most of the GeForce & CM problems for Quicksilver & before users. It worked in my case, although I still went back to the Radeon, but many others reported success with those drivers. There must be something else in the new iMacs that is causing this problem, maybe something to do with the new screen. I think the idea of partitioning the drives wouldn't hurt, but OS X will still write new extensions to the OS 9 system folder if Classic is envoked in any case. Classic RAVE extension has not caused any problem for me in OS 9. I had Berli try the same exact extension set that I had success with in my DP G4 + GeForce 2 MX in his iMac, but it didn't work. The only other thing I can think of is the Apple Monitor and Monitor preferences files in the System 9 folder. Gyrene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 There must be something else in the new iMacs that is causing this problem, maybe something to do with the new screen.A definitive and a bit worrying possibility... I think the idea of partitioning the drives wouldn't hurt, but OS X will still write new extensions to the OS 9 system folder if Classic is envoked in any case. But only to the OS9 it uses, that's the point of partitioning. Have two OS9's, one for the X to screw up with and one "virgin". If someone didn't know, you can choose the 9 to be used from Classic control panel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidh Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 One other thing to check... Are you folks running CM 'virgin', as it comes off the CD, or are you running with heavily modded graphics file? I've had text disappearance problems similar to those mentioned after putting some new mods in. Otherwise, by having OS 9 on a separate boot drive, I've had no problems getting full 3D on my G4/933 (excepting the 'slowdown' problem I posted about earlier). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmead Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I strongly doubt its anything to do with the screen, more likely something to do with the Nvidia interface to Apple OS. I have been watching the incorporation of Nvidia products into Macs (as well as the various problems MSW users have) and am so far unimpressed with the quality of drivers and hardware implementation. I think I will stick to ATi... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 Originally posted by Hoopenfaust 101: Like the rest of the mac guys in this thread, I've been using macs since system 7 System 7! The first Mac OS I had was... Mac OS. Came on an all-in-one case and had those new 400k floppies (how in the Hell can I ever fill 400k?). Had a whopping 128k of ram (what do I need with that much ram?) and no hard drive (20mb hard drives were insanely expensive). First OS I really recall the version number of was OS 4 (after my Mac became a Mac Plus... Woot! 4mb ram! I'll never need more ram than that!). Ah, the memories 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 We keep Steve Jobs fed. I just looked at your profile. You win hands down. I was still using "press play on tape" Vic 20's when you were using a mac. We gotta solve this problem sir. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturner Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 As a suggestion, in your pure 9.2.2 partition, make a location that includes only the extensions you want to have enabled for game play. I have found that that seems to work best for me. Doubly so since I also dabble with SkyFighters 1945, a WWII air sim game. Ah, mes infants, you do not know the pleasure of the TRS-80 and its whopping big 4 KB of RAM. I quickly upgraded to an Apple II+. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted March 20, 2002 Author Share Posted March 20, 2002 Ha! I remember the Vic20 and the TRASH-80. Vic20 was a real power house in its day... things have changed a bit since then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 My first puter was a Sinclair ZX-81 with a membrane keyboard. Press "P" for "Print" I think it had 2 or 4k of RAM and wicked monochrome graphics. (50 x30 I think) I wish I had it still, I still have my Apple IIc clone and my Amiga 500. I'm on the hunt for a cheap Mac Color Classic II Gyrene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 What version of OpenGL do you have installed on your 9.2 partition? What version should we have? Is OGL 1.2.1 the newest or do we have newer versions installed since we have the newest mac on the board. I'm lookin' for any avenue to investigate. I'm gettin' my ass kicked because I don't know how many men I have in a squad or when my arty is gonna fall. Plus I can't see my enemies info. I'm losing and I'm gonna blame Nvidia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 For those who dont read every topic in the forum, this is more or less closely related and just might have the cure. http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=002345 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Jarmo I've got the updated drivers but still no text. If you can get your hands on a new iMac, try CM on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 I'd love to, but no new iMacs in sight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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