Curry Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Jersey, great posts! Thanks for taking the time. Good reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Curry, Appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 JerseyJohn has been posting great stuff like that for a long, long time. I for one would sincerely hope that he continues to "grace" these boards with, well, just about anything he cares to mull over or talk about. It is always an education. It is always interesting and entertaining. It is always delivered with some "earned insight." And, Not to forget, Some of his suggestions for an improved game have been, apparently, well considered for the new! SC2-Blitzkrieg! ... as have those great and knowledgable ideas of many of the others who have been around forever, it seems. But JJ sometimes does not get enough credit, and some of the newer guys are simply saying things that he has said before. Same with those others who have been around a long time. Way to go! JerseyJohn! And Everybody! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Yes Heinrici,s defensive capabilities are well known. Many people often refer to Seelow Heights to give him credit but this is not an adequate description. The delaying action at Seelow was a success mainly because he managed to avoide the artillery barrage combined with Zhukov's rash behaviour to send forward the tank formations. To examine Heinrici one should especially study the russian offensive against Orsha in late 1943, where he held his ground with 10 depleted divisons. His defensive tactics was built upon massing all availabe artillery and above all a rotation-system in which his 6.5 divisions not engaged in the crucial sector systematically sent one batallion each day to cover loses on the vital front of the russian offensive. This mixing required some paperwork but meant that the 4th army could replace losses and create an effective defense. Heinrici's aim was always to mass the firepower against the supposed enemy major assault. That mean that he had to change the artillery command structure and put all the artillery under one commander instead of detachments beeing spread out among the infantry divisions. I give him a 7. His offensive achievements can't match that of Zhukov, Rommel and the others ranked 8 in my list. But yes, a great defensive expert but I'd still put my money on Albert Kesselring for being the best defensive specialist within the wehrmacht. But Kesselring's success was more an effect of his understanding of combined warfare than developed defensive tactics that Heinrici produced. [ May 21, 2004, 11:34 AM: Message edited by: Kuniworth ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Desert Dave Many thanks, greatly appreciated as always. Off now to gulp down some Geritol. -- Do they still even make that stuff? Remember they used to have a competing pruduct (they always do) Suretan. Their little blurb was, "And remember, Suretan spelled backwards is Natures!" I miss those days of truly absurd commercials, illustrations of wobbly tired blood cells but after a swig of Old Grandad or whatever they'd look firm and round and full of energy! Gets a nudge from the Off-Topic Monitor ... Huh, oh, sorry, If we're counting Goering as a general I think he should be rated a weak 0. [ May 21, 2004, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curry Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Kuni, your last post was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Well, yes, of course! A Great Job and a fine educational experience Kuni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Originally posted by Kuniworth: Where is Guderian? Guderian never held armygroup resonsibilities. However he is listed at the bottom along with some other commanders that Hubert might wanna bring into the list. Guderian commanded a Panzer Group similar to Patton's Army. Even if we do not consider Guderian's role in developing the Panzer forces, nor his later posts in the German High Command... I don't see how we could include Patton but not Guderian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted June 4, 2004 Author Share Posted June 4, 2004 Originally posted by ev: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kuniworth: Where is Guderian? Guderian never held armygroup resonsibilities. However he is listed at the bottom along with some other commanders that Hubert might wanna bring into the list. Guderian commanded a Panzer Group similar to Patton's Army. Even if we do not consider Guderian's role in developing the Panzer forces, nor his later posts in the German High Command... I don't see how we could include Patton but not Guderian. </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted June 9, 2004 Author Share Posted June 9, 2004 coming up soon...a combined complete russian and german command thread. Stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coe Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 hmmm what about having an offensive and defensive rating for the commanders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Don't think Hubert will implement that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 How about an offensive & defensive statistic for smackers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: How about an offensive & defensive statistic for smackers? I can start; Rambo; offensive - 9 Initiative - 5 Defensive - 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 *bump* update may 13th 2005; Kuchler rating changed from 4 to 5. Leeb changed from 6 to 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 How about Henrick The Hangman? He would be allowed to destroy cities with an SS piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky-Boy Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: How about Henrick The Hangman? He would be allowed to destroy cities with an SS piece. Hmm, which one do you mean: This one: or Heinrichs "rechte Hand": I dont' think that one of these people can be considered as a german military leader in WW2. You may call them political leader or organizer, but not a military authority. [ May 13, 2005, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: Franky-Boy ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky-Boy Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Well, I suggest adding this authority to the list with a command rating of at least 7: [ May 14, 2005, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: Franky-Boy ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 The Hangman is the Devil in picture #2, the one who got waxed by commandos. He was a military leader, he was able to command troops to kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 I'll fight with this Legend anytime, anywhere, anyhow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky-Boy Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: He was a military leader, he was able to command troops to kill people.Yes, to kill innocent people but not to fight soldiers. That's a difference in my opinion. [ May 14, 2005, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: Franky-Boy ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 So it's okay for the German regulars to wax Poland, France, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembert, Norway, Greece, Yugoslavia, the majority of Russia.....Kill UK, Yanks, too? Just because it's soldier against soldier? Is Rommell a great guy too? He must have been a real sweatheart. Lump them into the same pile says me. "We should wipe them all out, knock down every building, blow up every bridge, destroy everything...then leave them a couple of buffalo & let them start out like us" --- Charles Bronson in the movie Battle of the Bulge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curry Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 MR. HC I hope you will add Heinrici. Or I use to play a civil war game which added Generals more historically. THey came out in the year they reached a certain level. So an example could be Manstien would not be available in 1940 but lets say 1942. Just an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hey,... this thread is absolete. Didn't you guys hear about the editor? And Ditto this for that other thread....what was it? Soviet commanders....obsolete. Get this...you will be able to designate your commanders and the ratings associated with them. Besides, who says all the scenario designers are going to be using the "Grand Strategy" scale? I'll be making customs with division, corps, and army commanders, not just army group HQs. Some of my combat units may be on the regimental....even perhaps.. the battalion scale, so the "complete list" is going to get rather large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 @S.Monkey --- thanks for the info, but we won't being doing anything if this game doesn't release, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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