derb Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 The Russians have them in late '42. It looks like a mortar and fires "flame projectiles" apparently. Google doesn't know anything about them. Are they good against tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 They are Molotov Cocktail "projectors"...I like to get them to listen to the cool "cha-chunk" catapult noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egan Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 One of them on their own is not going to trouble most German armour, unless it gets lucky, but if you have a platoon of them or use them against half tracks and the like, they are pretty good, not too much range though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 I have recently been using them against entrenched infantry. I'm not sure how effective they are but it sure is fun to watch that little fire burning in foxholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 Originally posted by Elvis: I have recently been using them against entrenched infantry. I'm not sure how effective they are but it sure is fun to watch that little fire burning in foxholes.You should see the VAP-250 from IL2 Sturmovik. Nothing says "Fun" like dropping 50+ Ampulamet like projectiles out of the back of the plane onto open top HT's Dropping 90 Chemical ignited Molotovs at once is pretty cool too. Hey BTS, think you could tweek CMBB's IL2 loadout a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bombs Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 I discovered these recently, too. I was pretty excited about having a 'flame projector' in a scenario- sounded like something from Doom 3. Then I started playing around with it and realized how impuissant the thing is. Took out a AC in a QB with one, though, which was pretty cool although it took about 5 hits. I havent been able to find a picture of one, anybody have a photo? The manual says they were 'widely used', and as I had never seen heard of it before 2 weeks ago, I suppose that indicates how much I have to learn about the Ostfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 In very dry conditions, I'm guessing that they can give a hotfoot to infantry in wheat or woods possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 I'd like to see a good photo myself, even after 35 years of reading about the Eastern Front. From what I gather, the projector fired spherical or globular rounds. Whether the rounds had an ignition source on board (a fuse/striker assembly) or if they just had a wick you lit before launching, is a good question. Some of our expert web ferrets may be able to snoop out more about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bombs Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 A bump from almost page 4, in the hopes somebody out there in grogdom has a photo or a link to a photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 I've got a photo of one in a book. IIRC it is "Infantry and Mountain Guns", in hte WW2 Fact File Series published in hte 70's by Janes & MacDonalds. Basically imagine a small muzzle-loading cannon - a swivel gun really, complete with 2 handles at teh breech and simple iron "v" and "i" rear and fore sights. It is mounted like a swivel gun in the photo too - a simple "U" shaped mount to 2 trunions - one on either side, with a single vertical tube at het bottom of the "U" mount. However IIRC the book says little was known about them and they appeared to be rare. But that was 25-30 yrs ago....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Someone posted a picture of an Apulomet a while ago. Maybe a year ago? I am not sure. Found it. It was in the 2001 archive. Search Ampulomet and it is in the first thread. [ November 18, 2002, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Lumbergh ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammr Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 In my copy of "The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II," Bishop, Barnes & Noble Books, the "Ampulenjot 1941 System Kartukov" makes its grand appearance under the Allied & Axis Flamethrowers chapter. Under the drawing (not really a photo) it is described thus: "The Soviet Ampulenjot 1941 System Kartukov was a simple 'pipe' gun that used a small black powder charge to fire an incendiary 'carcass' projectile. It was an expedient defense weapon used for a short period in 1941. The maximum range was only 250 m (274 yards)." The main text also adds: "The advancing Germans captured numbers of these Kartukov guns, and the only references now available regarding these weapons are to be found among German intelligence reports. Understandably enough the Germans did not have a very high opinion of them as weapons and regarded them as 'primitive.'" Specifications: Caliber: 127mm (5 in.) Length: overall 1.02m (40.16 in.) Weight: 26 kg. (57.3 lb.) Elevation: 0 to +12 degrees Traverse: 360 degrees Muzzle velocity: 50m (164 ft.) per second Maximum range: 250m (274 yards) Projectile weight: 1.5 or 1.8 kg. (3.3 or 3.97 lb.) I'll try to post the pic a bit later. One thing I've noticed in the game is that the firing of the weapon and the appearance of the flame on the ground seem almost instantaneous. They do seem to be fairly effective against halftracks and light armored vehicles. They seem to be more effective against infantry. Slammr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombinedArms Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 I'm currently playing Spanish Bombs in a scenario that includes two of these babies. I've so far killed one w/o actually seeing it. It's going to be interesting to see if the other can accomplish anything. My theory is that the first one destroyed itself with its own fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Galanti Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 I've seen a variety of spellings, but I think "ampulomet" is the correct one. The following pictures are labeled as such, but I make no claims as to whether they actually are or not. I swear someone else posted a sketch in another thread, but I've been unable to find it via search. Ben [ November 19, 2002, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Ben Galanti ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 is this the bomb sketch? Eduard emailed the link to me. [ November 19, 2002, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: Lumbergh ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Ben Galani - Where did you dig up (pun intended) those photos? Are they from one of the Russian battlefield archaeology digging clubs? I had a URL to one but lost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Must not be the right photo's. Their not white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarker Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Heh heh! Them's the fall variants Bruno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Galanti Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Originally posted by gunnergoz: Ben Galani - Where did you dig up (pun intended) those photos? Are they from one of the Russian battlefield archaeology digging clubs? I had a URL to one but lost it.Ummm...might be. I dunno, I don't speak Russian http://klad.hobby.ru/military_rus1.htm Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsniper Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 This is an English version of this site here. http://klad.hobby.ru/english.htm Here is an excerpt about what they do: "The aim of creation and activity of the Society are the exploration and rescue from destruction of the items which possess historical, cultural, art or high material value." Of course, the military archaeology part of their site appears to be Russian only, but it sounds like it might be real. There's also some pictures on there somewhere of some rusted Maxim MG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gallear Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 I can confirm that it is what we are talking about. However some of the mechanism is missing from my picture of one in servicable condition - appears to be from a military manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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