IronChef4 Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Sorry if this has been addressed before on another thread/topic. I realize that the air support in CMBB is not going to be much expanded upon, and is going to be pretty close to what it was in CMBO, but wouldn't it be cool to be able to purchase different types of it? Ruling out any complictaing changes, couldn't a number of generic or specific Luftwaffe and Russian planes be chosen from for support? The only difference between them could be the way that they are armed. For example. . . Stukas and IL2s would have more ordanance than say, an ME109 or Yak, and consequently cost more points. Also. . .wouldn't it be cool that if you purchesed a fighter. . .like an ME109, and your opponent purchased an IL2, that the IL2 would have an increased chance of not showing up at all because it had been chased off/shot down by the ME109? After the battle, trusting that your fighter hadn't been shot down itself, you could view its kills and see an IL2 included. Sorry, again if this has already been discussed, but its just a few things that I was thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commissar Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 I don't see it as being realistic for ground attack aircraft like the IL-2 to be purchased all by itself. To my knowledge, ground attackers were expensive and valuable to their respective sides, and so were not allowed to fly out without fighter cover much less all alone. Now, for the larger battles that feature battalions battling it out, large scale air support could be realistically expected. Whole squadroons were regularly employed to support the ground advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronChef4 Posted March 10, 2002 Author Share Posted March 10, 2002 good point. . .i guess that the latter half of my suggestion, as well as being able to purchase ground-attack planes would only be realistic then in such large scale engagements. . .which I hear might make it to CMBB??? Not that my computer would be able to handle them though. . .hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 You guys need to really search better on this topic... Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronChef4 Posted March 11, 2002 Author Share Posted March 11, 2002 Sorry, Matt. As I said, it was probably already touched on. . .thought I'd just make a few suggestions. . . Perhaps you could direct me to one of the threads, as I seem to be having a hard time finding one. [ March 10, 2002, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: IronChef4 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 I am not sure where the threads are but one of the myriad of enhancements in CMBB is more specific planes and loadouts so there ARE things like various versions of IL's (from early IL-2 models all the way up to the IL-10 Beast) with different weapons loadouts and planes like the Hs-129B-3 with that fun for the family 75mm cannon. Yup... LaGG's, YaKs, Migs, IL's, PE's, Po's, Ju's, PZL's, FW's, ME's, Reg's, Mc's and He's... oh my! Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSSIEJEFF Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Originally posted by Madmatt: ....... one of the myriad of enhancements in CMBB is more specific planes and loadouts......... Yup... LaGG's, YaKs, Migs, IL's, PE's, Po's, Ju's, PZL's, FW's, ME's, Reg's, Mc's and He's... oh my! Madmatt:eek: :eek: OMG!! :eek: :eek: Cool or what???? AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronChef4 Posted March 11, 2002 Author Share Posted March 11, 2002 WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY!!! You have made me a VERY happy CM player Matt!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 SO....uh, will we need a joystick then, heh heh..uh...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronChef4 Posted March 11, 2002 Author Share Posted March 11, 2002 Hehehehehehe. . . Looks like IL2 has made its impact upon the BTS crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Here some usual loadouts for german ground attack planes/fighters at eastfront. Only frontal armament. Bf 109E-4 2x20mm MG/FF,2x7.9mm MG17, 250kg bomb. Bf 109F-4(and G-2, G-6) 1x20mm MG151/20,2x7.9mm MG17, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190A-3(and A-4,A-5) 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x20mm MG/FF,2x7,9mm MG17, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190A-6 4x20mm MG151/20, 2x7.9mm MG17, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190A-8 4x20mm MG151/20, 2x13mm MG131, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190G-1 2x20mm MG151/20, 1800kg bomb. FW 190G-8 2x20mm MG151/20, 3x250kg bomb or 1000kg bomb. FW 190F-3 2x20mm MG151/20,2x7.9mm MG17 500kg or 1000kg bomb+ 2x50kg bombs. FW 190F-8 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x7.9mm MG17,500kg+2x50kg bombs or 14x28cm rocket bombs or 6x28cm rocket launchers(NBW) or 24xR4M rockets. FW 190D-9 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x13mm MG131,250kg or 500kg bomb. He 50 7.9mm MG17, 250kg bomb. Hs 123 2x7.9mm MG17 4x50kg bombs or 92x2kg anti personnel bombs. Hs 129B-1 2x7.9mm MG17, 2x20mm MG151/20 or 2x15mm MG151/15, 30mm MK101. Hs 129B-2 2x7.9mm MG17, 2x20mm MG151/20, 30mm MK101 or 37mm BK 3.7(Flak with wolfram core ammo) or 4xmg17 7.9mm or 4x50kg bombs or 92x2kg Anti Personnel bombs or 250kg bomb. Hs 129B-3/Wa 2xmg151/20, 75mm PaK 40 AT-gun. Ju 87B-2 (and D-3) 2x7.9mm3x250kg or 250kg+4x50kg or 500kg+4x50kg or 1000kg bomb. Ju 87G-1 2x37mm BK3,7 (Flak with wolfram core special ammo) Bf 110F-1 2x20mm MG151/20, 4x7.9mm MG17, 2x500kg+4x50kg bomb. Me 262A-2 4x30mm MK108, 2x500kg bomb or 24xR4M rockets. [edit] better now ? [/edit] [ March 11, 2002, 01:56 AM: Message edited by: illo ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Originally posted by Panzer Leader: SO....uh, will we need a joystick then, heh heh..uh...? Good thing I'm already planning on ordering a new Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Originally posted by illo: Here some usual loadouts for german ground attack planes/fighters at eastfront. Only frontal armament. Bf 109E-4 2x20mm MG/FF,2x7.9mm MG17, 250kg bomb. Bf 109F-4(and G-2, G-6) 1x20mm MG151/20,2x7.9mm MG17, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190A-3(and A-4,A-5) 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x20mm MG/FF,2x7,9mm MG17, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190A-6 4x20mm MG151/20, 2x7.9mm MG17, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190A-8 4x20mm MG151/20, 2x13mm MG131, 250kg or 500kg bomb. FW 190G-1 2x20mm MG151/20, 1800kg bomb. FW 190G-8 2x20mm MG151/20, 3x250kg bomb or 1000kg bomb. FW 190F-3 2x20mm MG151/20,2x7.9mm MG17 500kg or 1000kg bomb+ 2x50kg bombs. FW 190F-8 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x7.9mm MG17,500kg+2x50kg bombs or 14x28cm rocket bombs or 6x28cm rocket launchers(NBW) or 24xR4M rockets. FW 190D-9 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x13mm MG131,250kg or 500kg bomb. He 50 7.9mm MG17, 250kg bomb. Hs 123 2x7.9mm MG17 4x50kg bombs or 92x2kg anti personnel bombs. Hs 129B-1 2x7.9mm MG17, 2x20mm MG151/20 or 2x15mm MG151/15, 30mm MK101. Hs 129B-2 2x7.9mm MG17, 2x20mm MG151/20, 30mm MK101 or 37mm BK 3.7(Flak with wolfram core ammo) or 4xmg17 7.9mm or 4x50kg bombs or 92x2kg Anti Personnel bombs or 250kg bomb. Hs 129B-3/Wa 2xmg151/20, 75mm PaK 40 AT-gun. Ju 87B-2 (and D-3)2x7.9mm3x250kg or 250kg+4x50kg or 500kg+4x50kg or 1000kg bomb. Ju 87G-1 2x37mm BK3,7 (Flak with wolfram core special ammo) Bf 110F-1 2x20mm MG151/20, 4x7.9mm MG17, 2x500kg+4x50kg bomb. Me 262A-2 4x30mm MK108, 2x500kg bomb or 24xR4M rockets.Yike! :eek: I came on this post and thought the BB had sent me a page of pure code! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 I bagsy the Henschel 129 with the 75mm AT gun for my air support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Wildman Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Originally posted by Michael emrys: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Panzer Leader: SO....uh, will we need a joystick then, heh heh..uh...? Good thing I'm already planning on ordering a new Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold. Michael</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 CH FS Pro usb (or good old CH FS even better) and CH Pro pedals are best IMO. Im not very fond of TM stuff(better for modern jets)...too much bells and whistles and less sensitive "feel". Well but thats all matter of taste. You may find my 190 here... http://www.wbfree.net [ March 11, 2002, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: illo ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Originally posted by Wildman: You need either the Saitek X45 or the new $300 Thrustmaster Cougar.No good. I'm a southpaw and have to have a stick that will fit. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Originally posted by illo: ...(or good old CH FS even better)...Used a Flightstick Pro ADB for years. Actually I had two of them as after several hundred hours of play, they developed a tendency to snap roll with no input from me. Disconcerting that when you're flying at 25 feet AGL. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Michael send email to CH products and ask for new potentiometers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Wow! This has been one of my long-time requests on the boards for CM2. But I never thought we'd get such a vast selection of planes! This will enable scenario designers to tailor the threat level they want the air support to represent in a scenario. As well as provide historically accurate plane types for the time period the scenario covers. Great job, Charles! As always, you deliver above and beyond expectations. [ March 11, 2002, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Lee ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Originally posted by illo: Michael send email to CH products and ask for new potentiometers.I did contact them and they just replaced the stick. Anyway, I have now given both of them away and it's somebody else's problem. I expect I will like the Cyborg better anyway as it has much more functionality. (Just have my fingers crossed that I don't somehow end up with a lemon.) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronChef4 Posted March 12, 2002 Author Share Posted March 12, 2002 guess that i should have titled this topic, "what joystick do you use?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Originally posted by IronChef4: guess that i should have titled this topic, "what joystick do you use?" Well up until I upgraded to Windows XP I was as happy as a clam with my gameport CH Pro Pedals, Pro Throttle and F-16 Combatstick. Unfortunately CH Products can not get their programming software to support XP so my throttle is now dead in the water. I tried some workaround I saw posted on usenet (booting and programming the devices in DOS) but they didn't work for me. My options now, Either replace everything with the comperable USB versions which will run me over 300 bucks or just buy the new TH Cougar. I think I will get the Cougar but I will really miss the feel of my old gear as it has behaved flawlessly for years. Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grisha Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 Guys, you want to fly ground support on the Russian front? Get Il-2, then As for CMBB, will Il-2s get PTAB-2.5's, and VAP-250's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 And will 190s get anti personnel clusterbombs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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