Redwolf Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 OK, guys its time to get soem CMBB tactics developed before the game gets a white beard. My pet issue in CMBO all along was speed of vehicles, and especially tanks. Now that tanks are actually useful ( ) it is even more important. I was doing some racing across open ground with various (OK, almost all) of CMBB tanks. Aspects include: the T-34 is brutally fast. It is only bet by the STuart. I think that the Stuart, who's gun will now beat many vehicles in many timeframes of CMBB, will be one of the most powerful tools for decisive-movement type tank players. The Tiger family is as slow as ever. The Russians heavies are a lot faster. The Elefant/Fendinand is so slow that I am surprised that BFC gave it any movement at all and didn't rate it as an immobile pillbox, along the lines of the 88mm guns The British infantry tanks are hate-worthy as well. Most of the Axis light vehicles mounting a 150mm infantry gun are pretty fast, amoung the fastest in the game. I expect some quick and dirty strikes here, except if you run into antitank rifles, hehe. The T-34 based SP guns are reasonably swift, too, besides the SU-100 which beats the Jagdpanther easily, the SU-122 is fast, thick and furious. I expect it to be a very nastly opponent to face, it can really ash from cover to cover and I think noone doubts that it can hurt if you cannot nail it. Axis players might like Marders if they want to be swift, the same is true for the thin-open top SU-76 variant. For some reason the Flammpanzer II is extremly fast. The Mk III and the Russian light/fast tanks are disappointing. Tankettes are cool, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 The only problem I can see with 'swift tank action' is the new relentlessness of CMBB armoured action. Your dash ahead can well be the last thing you do, if you run into an opponent in ambush position. Light AT and ATRs are deadly, easily concealed, and available all war round. In a game I tested last night, one ATR stopped a flank move by the AI consisting of two Marders and one PSW 222. Elsewhere on the map, a sharpshooter killed a sIG Ib. An infantry squad killed an AA HT. A Pueppchen shot up both my T34s (first shot hits at shortish ranges), an M17, and immobilised a SU76. I had to use Valentines to race across a bridge, into the enemy defenses - it was high drama I can tell you If you square up tanks against each other, I noticed it is no longer a plinking game. In one game against the AI I managed to lose three out of four advancing Panthers in one turn, and I thought I was being careful... The sum of all the fears for the German player - run into a Pakfront based on 57mm ATGs. For the Soviets - Tigers in 1942... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 23, 2002 Author Share Posted September 23, 2002 I agree on all of it. This doesn't really defeat my question, because I mainly use the speed of the faster vehicles to dash them from cover to cover. So no matter how dangerous the place is, swift tank should help a lot, maybe more, not less, so than in CMBO. Playing the demo Schwerpunkt scenario it is also easy to see that choosing the right speed, the right formation and good judgement in preset turrets (cover arc) make allt he difference in the world. And slow tanks are double bad for formation moves, every delay opens a pile of decisions to make whether to hold up the whole group, or loosen the formation, or splitting the unit, etc. pp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosties Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 redwolf, What's cool about the Soviet tankettes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 23, 2002 Author Share Posted September 23, 2002 Originally posted by Shosties4th: What's cool about the Soviet tankettes? I actually used captured Finnish ones, maybe they behave better, but here is what I've seen: They are fast and the MG does quite some damage. They have a turret so they can speed by units which they shoot at at the same time. The new MG effects ensure that neighbour enemy units are supressed as well. Since CM infantry is much more vulnerable from the sides, two tankettes passing one unit by on different sides at the same time will hurt them, certainly. And ... they are cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demoss Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 It shouldn't be surprising that the Russian light tanks are disappointing - the Russians themselves were disappointed in them! The T-34 was fast enough that there just wasn't much point in building a light tank; T-34s are as fast or faster than most nationalities' light tanks, I believe. I'm surprised that people aren't finding the BT series to be significantly faster, though - perhaps on road only? I know it was a bit of an odd one in some ways. Hope mine came in the mail today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 Originally posted by redwolf: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shosties4th: What's cool about the Soviet tankettes? I actually used captured Finnish ones, maybe they behave better, but here is what I've seen: They are fast and the MG does quite some damage. They have a turret so they can speed by units which they shoot at at the same time. The new MG effects ensure that neighbour enemy units are supressed as well. Since CM infantry is much more vulnerable from the sides, two tankettes passing one unit by on different sides at the same time will hurt them, certainly. And ... they are cheap </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosties Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 Originally posted by redwolf: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shosties4th: What's cool about the Soviet tankettes? I actually used captured Finnish ones, maybe they behave better, but here is what I've seen:</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 24, 2002 Author Share Posted September 24, 2002 [about tankettes] Originally posted by Shosties4th: Seriously though, do they have reasonable response times to orders and can they keep in C&C in action?The basic delay in CMBB is even much shorter than in CMBO, no problem here. And I used single vehicles, not platoons, so C&C didn't apply either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Originally posted by Shosties4th: We all know what Finns can do with toothpicks. They can clean their teeth?? I'm just trying to imagine what they could do with a tankette! :eek: They can probably floss as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 I never rush ahead. Every time I do, here is my T34 rushing ahead and then there is a lot of sparks, and the tanks abrutly turns ot one side. Better to let the infantry be the fast killers, and let your tanks support. Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSword Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 I played Jaegermeister as Russian, and all i can say is that it was indeed very swift tank action. 2 rounds after my charging the village i had 2 JS-2 left..., 1 Tiger accounted for 3 JS-2 and 2 SU-76 within 2 or 3 rounds. It was thrilling and devastating. I would have given all my JS-2 for 2 Veteran platoons of T-34/85 to charge the Hitlerits and teach them manners. Greets Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 9, 2002 Author Share Posted October 9, 2002 Tsword, I didn' read your entire article but it looks like it should have a spoiler warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demoss Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Well, keep in mind the following: 1) Jaegermeister is the advanced tutorial, and the very manual says you'll be seeing heavy German armor.... and 2) Some of TSword's information is inaccurate. So how much is really spoiled (especially in light of the latter)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 10, 2002 Author Share Posted October 10, 2002 Originally posted by demoss: So how much is really spoiled (especially in light of the latter)?I clearly said I didn't read his post completely because I didn't want to get spoiled (I saved all CMBB scenarios for PBEM so far), I preferred to ask him. [ October 09, 2002, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: redwolf ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Just to add to my comment above, in a PBEM game I am playing right now my opponent was trying out this tactic (along with the rest of us trying out different tactics) with 3 T34/76's. The zoomed forward and engaged my infantry. Then my personal favorite StuG IIIF/8 came over the ridge and KO'd one. The other two then rushed towards him (it was under 300m) and each tried to flank him. But, he got both before they got on his sides. I see that more and more often. Patience has always been my rule with armor. Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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