Silvio Manuel Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 I had no idea until seeing kill% graphs that the MG42 HMG can kill M3/M5 HT's. I tried this out last night in a QB vs the AI, and killed two M3A1 's with perpendicular flank shots from 200-250m. Just when you think you start to know something about this game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 And M2's can take out Pumas too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Chef Sakai Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 and plain werhmacht plattons can take out jumbo shermans, and shermans can take out tigers, and britsh machine guns can take out german half tracks, and germans half stracks can take out american jeeps and american jeeps can take out thier own windshields. this game rocks because it's as realistic as a game is going to get. there is not hint of the linear and single minded "strategy" of the pre fabricated automatic voctories of certain units against certain units in the ever annoying real time "stratedgy" gam,es Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted November 13, 2001 Author Share Posted November 13, 2001 This anti-light armor capability of the MG42 HMG was a big deal to me...I was playing a Heer defense vs. the AI, and had already lost all of my AT assets (vet. Pak43, 2 StuG, 1 'schreck), KO'ing 1 M4A1-76 and two M4 Shermans, leaving 2 more M4's, 2 M5A1 HT, and 2 M20 Utility Cars to deconstruct my defense (plus I only had Faust-30's). So killing two HT's w/ MG42's was a most pleasant surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Shadow 1st Hussars: And M2's can take out Pumas too.<hr></blockquote> M2 can take out Panzer IV from behind if close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatter Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ciks: M2 can take out Panzer IV from behind if close enough.<hr></blockquote> Shatter here I had some doubt as to this being possible so a did numerous test on several tanks. Test was with a pair of 50cals firing on each Tank type from 30 to 35 meters, firing on the rear of the tanks. Here is the results All Panzer MarkIV types no problem for the 50cal to take out at close range from the rear. Jagdpanzer all types = KO Hetzer = KO Lynx = KO Hotchkiss = KO Wirbelwind & Ostelwind = KO Sturmgeshultz all tpyes = KO (Although it took around 10 test or so, to knock out each type. Abandoning was more common). Panther & Jagdpanther = No KO's (After a $h_t load of test finally achieved Gun Damage and then Abandoned) Did not waste my time on Tigers, King Tigers or JagdTiger since they all have thicker rear armor than Panthers So I figure af close ranges the 50cal (at least from the standpoint of CM) can punch through at least 30mm of armor. I was really suprised to see the 50cal. can take out some of the lighter German Tanks. Never again will I do one of these test, to time consuming [ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Shatter ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Thanks Shatter for additional info. (suddenly you look with some respect at your .50-carrying halftracks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porajkl Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 I wonder how can you achieve a gun hit from rear? :eek: :confused: The world is going strange these days. BTS, please fix somefink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 The Pz IV based stuff with the 20mm rear armor is vulnerable to close .50cal. That includes the StuG IV. I have not been able to KO a StuG III with a .50cal test, are you sure? And yes, halftracks die from MG42. In halftrack duels you better keep the distance with your M3A1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaphank Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ciks: Thanks Shatter for additional info. (suddenly you look with some respect at your .50-carrying halftracks) <hr></blockquote> Now if the crew would only stay in the damn thing long enough to shoot at something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 BAH. Gamey tests. Learn this stuff in the field. I played a tourney battle where my opponent had a bunch of flamethrowing Hetzers; I toasted several of them with my .50 cal halftracks (it was a night battle, so I could get in close.) I also emailed BTS with a bug report when a PIAT fired at a Marder II, hit it, destroyed it, but the kill did not register on the kill screen. Further investigation showed that the PIAT bomb hit the Marder II at the precise instant in time as the AA MG on a Sherman fired it's .50 into the side armor. The kill registered on the Sherman's kill screen. [ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busboy Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 I'd like to quote Patton on this topic: (this is quoted from memory, accuracy might not be complete, but the jist is correct.) "The two worst causes of casualties for us are the Jeep and the Halftrack. The jeep is one because these kids go out joyriding in it and wreck 'em, and the halftrack because the drivers think their in tanks and act invelnerable." Not knowing just what your vehicle can and cannot take is very very dangerous. And, if an MG42 can penetrate a halftrack, then so can rifle fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatter Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by redwolf: The Pz IV based stuff with the 20mm rear armor is vulnerable to close .50cal. That includes the StuG IV. I have not been able to KO a StuG III with a .50cal test, are you sure? And yes, halftracks die from MG42. In halftrack duels you better keep the distance with your M3A1.<hr></blockquote> Sturmgeshultz all tpyes = KO (Although it took around 10 test or so, to knock out each type. Abandoning was more common). Yes I was able to take out a Stug with a 50. cal but as I said it took 10 test or so. Michael Dorosh as for being a gamey test you are right, but I wanted to see if it was possible. Before this test in a last ditch effort I would never tried to take on a Stug with a 50 cal . I would of just withdrawn my team or halftrack. Now at least if the opportunity is their, I know the option is even if is slim. [ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: Shatter ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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