Jagdwyrm Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 I cant find this vehicle. Did it not make it in? Would have been a nice cheap alternative for mobile AT gun. I do see the germans got the 251/22. Was the Su-57 really rare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grisha Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Hmm, good question. The Red Army received about 650 US T-48s (Soviets called them SU-57), and about 300 UK Churchills. We see the Churchills in the game, but no T-48s as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Hell, the PZ-II model with the 80-50mm armor is in the game and there were only a dozen or so of those ever made. 'Course it's easy to include a vehicle which uses the same model as a standard one, so you only have to change the stats and voila: new vehicle. Another way to rationalize the PZ-II(80mm) is to assume that inventive crews lashed tracks, sandbags, roadwheels or tree-trunks all over the thing, as was done quite often with other vehicles. Ren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdwyrm Posted October 27, 2002 Author Share Posted October 27, 2002 the SU-57 is on the M5 halftrack chassis I believe and mounts a 57mm Zis-4 AT gun...someone will correct me if Im incorrect Im sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdwyrm Posted October 27, 2002 Author Share Posted October 27, 2002 ok looking at some stuff appears that it may be the T-48 and that would mean it would have mounted the US 57mm AT gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Once they saw the lackluster performance of the US/Brit 57mm AT gun, I wouldn't blame the Russians if they stripped them out and used the vehicle solely for transportation. They might have set their excellent Zis 57mm gun into it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Nope, the SU-57 wasn't the Russian gun but the U.S. longer-barreled version of the 6-pounder. Word was the Soviets rather liked 'em. They had more hole-punching power than the T34-76. I thought the number produced was closer to a thousand but I guess that include Brit-delievered vehicles that were converted back to troop transports. Yeh, I wanted the SU-57 in the game too and lobbied long and hard for the vehicle to no effect. 300 different vehicles in the game and of course my favorite one turns out to be #301 on their list. Well, we do have sturmtigers to play with, so I won't complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 The T34-57 is a nasty beast, and is actually "no change" rarity at certain times- during Spring 42 if not also elsewhen. It really outshines the disappointing Soviet 76mm gun. I wonder how many really saw combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Check out this for the T34-57 http://www.battlefield.ru/t34_57.html I couldn't find any production figures in the text, but they did mention a crummy HE round and short barrel life with the high velocity round (reminds one of the Sherman Firefly, doesn't it!). [ October 28, 2002, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Thanks MikeyD. There are some scattered mentions of a tiny # that were employed in combat- but I'm sure it must have been higher b/c I've seen T34/57 listed as zero rarity % change in CMBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarquelne Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by Silvio Manuel: Thanks MikeyD. There are some scattered mentions of a tiny # that were employed in combat- but I'm sure it must have been higher b/c I've seen T34/57 listed as zero rarity % change in CMBB.Was Variable Rarity on? The battlefield.ru website certainly makes them sounds pretty rare... did that article say only 133 of the Zis-4 57mm guns were produced? Did some T-34/57s use US/Brit. guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 The Brit/U.S. 57mm and Russian 57mm are apples and oranges. Rather like the U.S. and Germans both having 75mm guns. Not intechangeable at all. Actually, there's one semi-related peculiar thing I noticed. You know that 75mm Pak97(?) in the game, the French 75mm gun barrel on a 50mm pak carriage? That gun is the SAME as on the U.S. M3 GMC halftrack, the U.S.'s first proper sp gun! Same barrel, same breech mechanism. I had never noticed that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 There's also a Russian 57mm TD in use in 1941 - 42. You can see the Russian Battlefield article on it HERE. It has the long 57mm ZIS-2 gun mounted on a Komsomlets tractor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRSutton Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Hey Mike, you stil out there. Send me an e-mail and lets hook up for an on line game. ross.sutton@verizon.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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