Mr. Tittles Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 DUEL AT DESSAU 3AD's "Super Pershing" vs. Germany's "King Tiger" http://3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Interesting read. Thanks for the link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Not much of a duel. KT crew likely poorly trained to move forward and expose the bottom hull while being fired upon. Since it only lasted twenty seconds, a good deal of which must have been spent driving the KT up the pile of rubble to show off the perfect target, I'll also wager that "mystery" round wasn't an 88mm L/71, since, even without penetrating, a hit on the turret front would have been very noticeable to the crew and may well have buggered the traverse from the transfer of kinetic energy. Interesting, nonetheless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 "KT crew likely poorly trained to move forward and expose the bottom hull while being fired upon." Don't be too hard on the poor Tiger crew. At 1600 yards -if that was the range- a KT could've stood side-on (if it wanted to) against most-all the weaponry the U.S. could throw at it without so much as scratching the paint! I recall reading a Russian Front article saying the King Tiger's main failing was its crew's false sense of invulnerability. it led them to go places and do things a PzIV would've never dreamed to go. It is fun to go back to CMBB just to play with 'em sometimes. [ October 12, 2004, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tittles Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 The Super Pershing was in Beltons book Death Traps. He welded on extra armor to both the turret and hull. Even using parts of a panthers bow armor I recall. http://3ad.com/history/wwll/special.photos.htm/super.pershing.htm An ordinary pershing was KOd by a Tiger I and another by a Nashorn. Both at short range. That same website has details about those actions also. [ October 12, 2004, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Tittles ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tittles Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 3rd DIVISION VEHICULAR COMBAT LOSES 29 June 1944 to 22 April 1945 (231 combat days) Medium Tanks 633 Light Tanks 147 Artillery Pieces 17 Assault Guns 38 Half-Tracks 204 Armored Cars 53 Motorcycles 115 2.5-ton Trucks 88 Jeeps 340 Others 197 TOTAL 1832 In addition to the losses reflected in the above table, there were "temporary" losses resulting from combat operation. Crews of the Division Maintenance Battalion repaired a total of 6,324 vehicles of all types. Of this number there were 1305 Medium Tanks, 395 Light Tanks, 728 Half-Tracks, 1063 2.5-ton trucks, and 1260 jeeps. [ October 12, 2004, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Tittles ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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