Bimmer Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 20,000 points. 12+ square kilometer map. 100 turns. Big. The battle represented is the 7 June 1944 clash between elements of the 12th SS and the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division north of Carpiquet Airfield. I've made it as historically correct as I can based on available sources. As you might expect, something this big will likely need some tweaking, so if you play it please leave me some feedback over at TPG. Thanks and enjoy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 ...and the name is "What an Opportunity". You are utterly insane for making this scenario...so I don't know what it says about me that I went ahead and downloaded it...other than I am a Canucklehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 Hmmm, perhaps my oversight in failing to actually NAME the scenario in my big announcement may have had some negative effect on the willingness of people to download it... (The name is actually part of a quote from "Panzer" Meyer's discussion of the battle in his book.) Anyway, that said, what is it about it that strikes you as particularly insanity-induced? FYI, I'm still working on development - one thing I have yet to do is get the historical commanders' names inserted where I have them. Let the insanity continue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Originally posted by Bimmer: Hmmm, perhaps my oversight in failing to actually NAME the scenario in my big announcement may have had some negative effect on the willingness of people to download it... (The name is actually part of a quote from "Panzer" Meyer's discussion of the battle in his book.) Anyway, that said, what is it about it that strikes you as particularly insanity-induced? FYI, I'm still working on development - one thing I have yet to do is get the historical commanders' names inserted where I have them. Let the insanity continue. Perhaps only giving us 7 hours to do so before complaining has had an adverse effect also... It is summer in civilized parts of the world...not much time for 100 turn games.... Although if you had given a direct link to the download page, or even just to the website, that would probably have helped your download stats too..... What an Opportunity! download [ June 09, 2005, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 Nah, I wasn't complaining, just musing. And an actual download link? Geez, you want me to make it easy or something? I mean, anybody ambitious enough to go after a 100 turn scenario should be willing to chase it down... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 It always ends up in a mess, but I love big battles Thanks Bimmer, I will give you some feedback in a couple of weeks. Sure looks okay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Wow! I just started and that's one heck of alot of stuff out there! I'll give you better feed back as soon as I finish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rosenrosen Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Got any screenshots for us voyeurs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 Here's a shot of most of the map (as much as I could get) looking north. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Notice how CM continues to utterly fail at providing the walls required to make true Norman Clos towns...maybe in CMX2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Hi Bimmer, I just started to play your huge scenario("15 turn"), big mess in perspective ! Only one question , Do you have added some "Panthers" in your scénario ? Because Panther have been near Buron at this time(5 Panther destroyed)and between Franqueville and l'Abbaye d' Ardenne (2 Panther destroyed). Cheers Pat [ June 09, 2005, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: patboy ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Originally posted by patboy: Only one question , Do you have added some "Panthers" in your scénario ? Because Panther have been near Buron at this time(5 Panther destroyed)and between Franqueville and l'Abbaye d' Ardenne (2 Panther destroyed). Are you sure about this? All the info I've read on this battle indicates only the II. Abteilung (Mark IVs) being involvde in the June 7th counterattack, with the Panthers of I. Abteilung not arriving until much later in the evening, and instead attacking further west in the vicinity of Bretteville L’Orgueilleuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 My research confirms what Kingfish posted. I Battalion (Panthers) was trapped east of the Orne waiting for fuel and did not participate in the battle. They arrived late in the evening of 7 June and were slotted into the line, along with 26th Panzergrenadier Regiment, west of Meyer's 25th PzG Regt. I found nothing to suggest the 12th SS forces involved had any armor other than the PzIVs of II Battalion. The 12th SS continued fighting in this area for almost a month, IIRC - perhaps the Panthers to which you are referring were knocked out later on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 SPOILER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Just checked TOOLS OF THE TRADE. Actually opened it up and the page I opened it to had a photo - PAC 131391 with the caption "A Sherman Vc Firefly ...of the 27th Armoured Regiment (The Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment),....moving into action near Buron, 7-11 June 1944..." So I reckon y'all need some Fireflies in there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 I believe the Panthers in question were destroyed during Operation Charnwood. Michael Reynolds describes elements of von Ribbentrop's 3rd company (Panthers) counterattacking on July 8th to rescue trapped remnants of the 25th PzGr regiment, which at the time was defending the area La Bijude - Galamanche - Buron. He mentions 7 tanks being lost. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emar Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 The Panthers in question indeed did not enter the fray on the morning of the 7th. Meyer attacked with around 50 mark IV's, the Panther battalian was still behind the lines and low on fuel and could not be deployed until evening. There were however, Firefly's in the fray including a lone surviving Firefly of the Sherbrooke Fusilier at Authie that temporarily held up the German counterattack. There were also Canadian m10 tank destroyers as well as the Shermans and Stuarts. [ June 09, 2005, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: Emar ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 To response to all, Not I'm not sure about Panthers have been engaged in this battle, but the only thing I know and seen, is the map of this battle with some draws where it's written "Panthers" destroyed and the number. Other things, two photos show one Panther destroyed near Authie (front and back); the caption said : Near Authie, soldiers of the Regina Rifles are examining a Panther tank ; it's the n° 135 which was the one of the commander of the third section, first company SS panzer regiment 12. Source : Album Memorial Bataille de Normandie Normandy invasion June 11 - August 29 1944 (page 232 photo 4 and page 236 photo 2) Editions Heimdal Cheers Pat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 There was two battles around this area... The first one: June 7th (check the operation "Bloody Buron" made by beta-tester Joël Montagu for CMBO)>> No panthers The second one : one month later = Operation Charnwood (check scenario "Operation Charnwood" for CMBO)>> panthers... The map looks quite accurate. Good job! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Foo - I can do one better. Check my CMAK battle, "WBRP - Charnel Wood", both versions at the SD. It covers the counter attack by the eight Panthers. Originally posted by Xavier: There was two battles around this area... The second one : one month later = Operation Charnwood (check scenario "Operation Charnwood" for CMBO)>> panthers... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartokomus Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Panther's or no, thanks for the scen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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