Hans Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 from the US and Canada. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2520100,00.html Well done UK! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Originally posted by Hans: from the US and Canada. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2520100,00.html Well done UK! Brilliant. Now to get a big TV for parliament, maybe go on holiday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I was reaing about this earlier this month and hadnt realised the country was still in a form of debt to others due to the war. One does wonder now that these payments are no longer being made if the money will be thrown into something "worthwhile". One also wonders, did our country not give bases up etc during the war to the US ... were they not part of the payment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterk Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I'm going to buy a new ASL rulebook with my share. Let's see.... 22.7 million divided by 30 million = about 80 cents. Hmmmm....can someone (preferably in England) loan me about 100 bucks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I thought ASL was available via Lend-Lease now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Originally posted by the_enigma: One also wonders, did our country not give bases up etc during the war to the US ... were they not part of the payment? We gave you 50 flush deck destroyers for those bases. They weren't part of Lend-Lease. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Originally posted by stoat: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by the_enigma: One also wonders, did our country not give bases up etc during the war to the US ... were they not part of the payment? We gave you 50 flush deck destroyers for those bases. They weren't part of Lend-Lease. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Originally posted by the_enigma: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by stoat: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by the_enigma: One also wonders, did our country not give bases up etc during the war to the US ... were they not part of the payment? We gave you 50 flush deck destroyers for those bases. They weren't part of Lend-Lease. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Originally posted by stoat: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by the_enigma: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by stoat: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by the_enigma: One also wonders, did our country not give bases up etc during the war to the US ... were they not part of the payment? We gave you 50 flush deck destroyers for those bases. They weren't part of Lend-Lease. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Seems the Clemson class DD's had quite a history: The Mason was torpedoed on 18 Oct 41, killing one LT John Parker --- giving him the regrettable honor of being the first American killed in action while serving with the RN. The Reuben James was the first USN vessel sunk by Germany, 31 Oct 41. The Herndon was given to the Brits (who re-christened her the Churchill), who then gave her to the Russkis (re-named the Delatelnyi) --- sunk 16 Jan 45. The Stewart was captured by the Japanese and served under their flag, before being recaptured by the Yanks --- then sunk as a target 23 May 46. For the most part, those of the class that actually made it up to 1941 served to the end of the war --- and were promptly scrapped. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Originally posted by von Lucke: Seems the Clemson class DD's had quite a history: The Mason was torpedoed on 18 Oct 41, killing one LT John Parker --- giving him the regrettable honor of being the first American killed in action while serving with the RN. The Reuben James was the first USN vessel sunk by Germany, 31 Oct 41. The Herndon was given to the Brits (who re-christened her the Churchill), who then gave her to the Russkis (re-named the Delatelnyi) --- sunk 16 Jan 45. The Stewart was captured by the Japanese and served under their flag, before being recaptured by the Yanks --- then sunk as a target 23 May 46. For the most part, those of the class that actually made it up to 1941 served to the end of the war --- and were promptly scrapped. You're kidding me, right? The last Clemsons were completed in 1922. They were excellent destroyers in their time, which happened to be WWI. The British knew full well they were acquiring well worn ships, but they didn't intend for them to fight other surface units. They were to escort convoys, and free up newer British destroyers for fleet action. They were large DEs. Four Clemson class ships sunk makes for "quite a history?" Aside from being an entirely inadequate summary of losses for the class, it also seems to be an entirely uninformed one as well. 273 Wickes/Clemsons were built, 50 were transfered to the RN. of the 223 remaining in USN service, 12 were sunk. That happens to be the lowest percentage of losses by class of any destroyers that served in the USN during WWII. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinxi Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Well the mortgage is paid. Does Great Britian own itself now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Originally posted by stoat: Four Clemson class ships sunk makes for "quite a history?" Aside from being an entirely inadequate summary of losses for the class, it also seems to be an entirely uninformed one as well. 273 Wickes/Clemsons were built, 50 were transfered to the RN. of the 223 remaining in USN service, 12 were sunk. That happens to be the lowest percentage of losses by class of any destroyers that served in the USN during WWII. Did I say it was a summary of losses for the class? No. Those four are only the outstanding examples of the group. Would you prefer "interesting examples" or, "distinguished excerpts" instead of "quite a history"? How about "don't get yr panties in a wad over something so niggling?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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