MichaelWittman Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi all, As you can probably guess from my username I love the mighty Tiger tank, and love to hand the Russians some major ass with them. My question is what is the most kills that you have scored with just one or two Tigers in a single scenario? My record so far was from the Peiper nahkampftag scenario with a total of 91 infantry casualties, 1 gun, 2 mortars, 25 t-34s and 4 t-70s. Quite a haul eh? :cool: Awesome scenario BTW highly recommended! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Yesterday I played a scenario named "Cagny" designed by Kingfish and available at Proving ground site. One of mine "tiger" knocked out several allied armors, see the proof: Pat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Patboy, Nice looking Tiger! DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 Haha Pat looks like one of those pesky snipers got the commander of the Tiger, don't you just hate those units? :mad: So come on I thought there would be plenty more Tiger aces out there! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Ritzner Von Jung Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Did you play against the AI ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 If that post was meant for me Baron then yes I did but my main Tiger was situated at the top of the hill besides the objective flag and with thick fog (meant to simulate heavy smoke), they had a field day against the onrushing t34s. I was down to HE only by the end of the battle! My 75mm a/t guns had a good time as well. One of them got back to the exit point with 6 t34 kills - nice! Also in that scenario the Russians get random reinforcements so you never know what you are going to be up against. I saved most of the PG force but did lose one Tiger which pissed me off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Ritzner Von Jung Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 If it is the scenario I'm thinking of whatever the russians get , it can't really hurt you . Did you find it tactically challenging or was it just "click go , sit back and watch the Apocalypse " ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickesKind Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hello! Where can I get this interface skin? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 dickes From www.cmmods.com of course! Just search for Tiger under the CMBB section. Baron No it wasn't like that cos I had to watch the Tiger's flanks at all times and all I can say is without the two Tigers it would be impossible to win this scenario. Even then getting the PG force back to the exit zone within the strict time limit is tough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuirassier Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 It is not a great feat. Against T-70's and T-34/76's the flanks of Tigers are hardly vulnerable. The 76.2mm is undermodelled and cannot achieve the results it did historically. Also the AI is a generally poor attacker. Clearly it did not take advantage of its numerical advantage or the limited visibility. Against a competent attacker armed with fair counters to your uber Tigers (like the Su-152), it is quite possible your force would have been defeated. To me the scenario sounds like one of those where the uber Germans face the Soviet horde and can't lose, because the Soviets have nothing adequate in their arsenal to deal with the German heavies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 You do make valid points Cuirassier but inspite of the 'poor' AI attacker I still managed to lose a Tiger on the escort back. Admittedly some t34s appeared behind the Tiger. Late war and the Tiger's invulnerability that you talk about is gone! Try the Seelow Heights campaign and you will see what I mean. Anyone else out there that is a Tiger fan? It seems I'm in the minority... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickesKind Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hello Michael I didnt meant the Tiger skin, but the user interface skin Greetings, Christian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi Christian, That UI is by a guy called Tarkus. His awesome work is on the same site mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuirassier Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Were the T-34's you faced 76.2mm models or 85mm models? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 Cuirassier it was a battle that took place during Kursk so 76.2mm models. [ November 04, 2007, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: MichaelWittman ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Leave poor Wittman alone, he enjoyed blowing the AI away with his tiger and racking up some huge numbers.Was it a amazing feat, probably not, but it was a good challenge for him. If he could adcheive it against a human it might be more memorable. Personnally, give me all those T34's, I am sure the Tigers would die, the question is how would the scenario score the effort. If you want to prove them Tiger's against more than AI, your more than welcomed to email me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuirassier Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 slysniper, By no means am I attacking Wittman. I am just stating that Tigers in CM during 1943 are much harder to kill than they were historically because of the undermodelling of Soviet AT guns, namely the 76.2mm. It is difficult to kill a platoon of Tigers, even if you are a good player with T-34/76's alone. I think the scenario he played would have been much more balanced if he fought armor that could reliably kill his Tigers. I have no problem with him playing a scenario where he has uber armor and can plink away T-34's at will. Personally, I dislike those scenarios. Admittedly however, I have played some QB's against the AI where I just take a couple KV's and fight hordes of Pz II's and III's. It is not remotely challenging, but can still be fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hi guys, This is taken from the briefing "Historically the Soviet tank crews in this action were poorly trained and had little, or no experience of tank combat. The AI does not handle this too well. If playing against the AI and you are looking for a tougher fight you can up the AI experience bonus accordingly." So in accordance with this I gave the Russian AI a +2 CEB. In my experience the AI can usually give a good fight with that bonus. But slysniper if that was a challenge then I'm up for it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 My personal best was 26 vehicles with a MK IV in a PBEM of 'All or Nothing'. Ironically enough, I had positioned a Tiger in the lead, thinking the heavier tank would shrug off any hits, thus allowing the MK IV to plink away at leisure. However, the Tiger was itself plinked before firing a shot, leaving the paper-thin MK IV alone and greatly outnumbered. No matter, he took on all comers and lit them up. Shermans, Comets, Churchills, Halftracks, practically every vehicle type in the allied OOB showed up in that tank's kill screen. Another notable mention was 4 kills with an immobilized Marder III. What is more remarkable about this is the fact the battle took place in rain and fog, and that the last 3 kills occured after the Marder was immobilized. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 I bet your opponent was a tad bemused after discovering a stubborn, lone Mk IV caused all that carnage to his forces! :eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Not a method that I would normally take to find a new game, but I am more than willing to take the place of AI so that you can test your play against a Human. I do not believe I have played this battle, so I will play it blind except what has been revealed in this thread. Hope you are use to PBEM which takes a game a month or two instead of one evening, that is the drawback of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing 88's Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Anyone else out there that is a Tiger fan? It seems I'm in the minority...I like them. I like Jagdpanthers as well. However, all within reason game wise. I just enjoy using all of the German Mechanized equipment, it's so... Gothic. :cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWittman Posted November 7, 2007 Author Share Posted November 7, 2007 The scenario that I mentioned above is 65 fixed turns and is a on a huge map so yeah it will take some time to play through. Er about the PBEM match-up I have never played a human opponent before but I'm keen to give it a go. Could you PM me about what I need to do? I heavily mod my CM games as well so will that be a problem for compatibility? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivodsi Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Wow, Mr Whittman, welcome to the world of PBEM. A word of warning: playing humans can ruin AI for you. Since getting into playing 'HI' I just can't be bothered with AI in almost any game. OTOH playing humans gives this game almost infinite replayability. I still have times where my heart pumps waiting to see if a risky move pays off. To answer your question: Your mods only affect your own screen. What the other sees on his screen is the BMP models that he has. So no worries there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Well the first thing you will need to do is email me, I have a work email in my profile. Just send a massege, prefer if it is from where you will be playing from. I will give you my home address once I hear from you. If you are not familiar with starting Pbem's, we might need to instruct you through it or start the game from my side, but will try and let you learn how to do it. I have played a few Aussie's before, the time difference works pretty good if you try a move in the morning and evening, since we are on total opp. ends of the world, your morning is my evening and visa versa. Anyway it works out better than playing someone in your own time frame for some odd reason. Turns come in and are ready most days where as if it is same time frame, one guy sends his turn for the evening but for the other guy it might be too late. Anyway, hopefully we will not have any problems and you might be the next converted fellow to break away from the AI Syndrome 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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