Richie Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It's all good! It's hard to find accurate source material. It's always good when other people do all the work for me... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Richie, Got another E-mail from Russ today. In it, he confirmed that the presumed German attack up MK pic I found is in fact just that, and provided confirmation pics matching the draw with an overhead view. Further, he believes the men are from 24 PD. These images were supplied as jpegs not links, so E-mail me if you want them. John 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetzer38 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Could you maybe upload one or two photos to imageshack, so more people could view them? Pretty please ? I trust you already saw these photos, but just to be sure: Vormarsch im Schutze einer Balka (Advance in the safety of a ravine) I believe the medic (Sani) in the lower left corner is the same one as in the photo you posted earlier. ( this one ) Nice "action-shot" here: Bombenabwurf über der chemischen Fabrik "Lazur" im Nordteil Stalingrads (bomb-throw over the chemical factory "Lazur" in the northern part of Stalingrad) Greetings, Hetzer38. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hetzer38, The first two pictures you linked to in your Feb. 13 post are definitely taken on Mamayev Kurgan and per Russ Schulke, are probably soldiers from 24 PD. Nice bomb on the last! If you E-mail me (address in profile), I'll gladly send you the other images, which you can then post to the thread. I've got cover copy to write for one book, an article due shortly but not yet started, and another book to start assembling, thus can't be mucking about posting pics when others already have the requisite skill set to do so. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 John, Feel free to email them to me, my email is in my profile. I will get round to editing the scenario at some stage... On the other hand, when I put together my Tennis Raquette scenario, most of the work will be done already... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Schulke Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Yes, I’m 100% sure that picture is of Mamaev Kurgan. Russ www.fireonthevolga.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetzer38 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Thank you very much for your post and the photo Russ! Thank you also very much for all your hard work and devotion for your Stalingrad-project! Simply amazing what you have achieved so far! By looking at the Rasteraufnahme der deutschen Luftwaffe vom Norden Stalingrads vom 26. Oktober 1942, I found the spot where the photos where made. Part of the original photo: Russ' aerial photo "merged" with bigger part of the original Luftwaffe-Rasteraufnahme: So the Landser on both photos ( 1, 2 ) were photographed on the southern slope of the Mamayev Kurgan, roughly 1200m (anyone in for a better guess?) away from the watertanks on the top... Cheers, Hetzer38. P.S. John, you've got mail! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 That last photo is gold! I'd guess less than that. On the Geert Rottiers map it puts the MK at around 500m. Here it looks bigger though with terrain relief standing out... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 15, 2007 Author Share Posted February 15, 2007 Russ Schulke, Welcome aboard! Got your E-mail but hadn't managed to catch up on all the replies I owed. Will you also be joining us on Fragment? Hetzer38, What Russ posted is what I sent you. Richie, Your "beloved" terraces are even visible in the high altitude overhead imagery. Am delighted you're getting so much great material and that we're getting a concentrated dose of info on Stalingrad's geography and the perambulations of Chuikov in the process. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I like that last photo - best I've seen. Small..but sweet: and a modern one - showing height difference from factories: and town centre: [ February 15, 2007, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: Melnibone ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Schulke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I have found hundreds if not thousands of photo labeling errors related to the Stalingrad battle. Even in the best works, they pop up. In Jason Marks celebrated book “Death of the Leaping Horseman: 24. Panzer-Division in Stalingrad” here are a few notable ones. 1.) This photo has Dolgi Gully label as Krutoy Gully which not correct and affects someone trying to research or plot the German advancing into Stalingrad and the fighting around Mamaev Kurgan. 2.) This nearest man in the photo is a Soviet “Hiwi” volunteer, but the photo text leads one to believe that this is German soldier. Here some other photos you may enjoy. August 27, 1942 "Tennis Racket” area. It has been reduce by 75% of the original quality and size. The scanned original is over 54 Mb. Mamaev Kurgan from the Red October factory July 2006. http://www.fireonthevolga.com/MK-72006-a.jpg Russ www.fireonthevolga.com [ February 16, 2007, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Russ Schulke ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetzer38 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Russ, thank you so much for sharing these fascinating photos and the information! Most people would never notice such errors as you have pointed out! What would you say, how far is it from "Dolgi Gully" (just behind the Landsers we see in photos 1 & 2) to the watertanks ? Cheers, Hetzer38. P.S. Could you please link the amazing "MK from the Red October factory July 2006"-photo? ...It's a bit big, you know! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Excellent Work Russ! Nice panorama from the Red Oktober Steel Mill. I was wondering how expansive the rail lines actually were. On most maps they're one short little line... They're your photo's that you took? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 John, I concede there should be some sort of terracing on the MK map... I'm just not so sure how effective and convincing it will be in CM terms. I think the initial thing would be to get the Balkas correct... if I can reproduce any terracing beyond that while keeping the appearance realistic then that's a bonus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Russ - how do you rate the Jason Marks books? I've just started the Leaping Horseman and ordered the new Island of Fire (for my birthday ) They are expensive but do contain a lot of detail and some great photos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 Richie, While I agree that the balkas, which constitute a relatively protected route of approach, should come first, and I'd love to see the terraces depicted, assuming that's even doable, you need to understand that I'm also yanking your chain a little, too. You argued vigorously early on why they shouldn't be included and provided a pic to back your claim, a claim I deemed credible until we learned that the pic wasn't of Mamayev Kurgan. This created a golden opportunity for a certain amount of ribbing once I had multiple period and current proofs in hand of their existence before, during, and way after the battle. I'm grateful for what we've learned in the process from the Forumites, for Russ Schulke's joining us first indirectly, then in person with his in-depth knowledge and image collection, and for your willingness to roll not just with a punch but a body blow to an enormous amount of work you've already done. Will we be seeing a battle in the portion of the Tennis Racket you mapped already? Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Originally posted by Melnibone: Russ - how do you rate the Jason Marks books? I've just started the Leaping Horseman and ordered the new Island of Fire (for my birthday ) They are expensive but do contain a lot of detail and some great photos. They are simply the most detailed books on Stalingrad available. I've also got both, and the rest of my books on Stalingrad suddenly seem superficial, with the exception of Manfred Kehrigs book of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 John, Yeah, stubborn ain't I? But I will concede when I'm wrrrr wrrr wrrong... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 Richie, Did you get to see The Lost Evidence: Stalingrad on the History Channel? What I saw was pretty good, and the visuals were spectacular. There was a great shot of Mamayev Kurgan using the composited imagery/3-D map technique the series appears to have pioneered for TV use. Supposedly, you can order the DVD from the History Channel store. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Schulke Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Jason Marks book “Death of the Leaping Horseman: 24. Panzer-Division in Stalingrad” and “Island of Fire: The Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory in Stalingrad” are top of the line. These are detail books dealing with individual units and fighting in small sectors of the city. The approximated distance from the location of the photo to the nearest water tank is 2553.32 feet. My 3D model is created at 1/1 scale (meters converted to feet). The complete model and aerials are tie down with GPS coordinates from surviving building and monuments such as the corners of the Grain elevator, the Felix Dzerzhinskiy monument in front of the Tractor Factory, rail-line intersections, the all-year-round circus building … and about a hundred more locations. Russ www.fireonthvolga.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 Russ, Approximated to two decimal places? Love it! Are you by any chance a cartographer or GIS specialist? If not, then I'm even more impressed by how you've tied all the elements together among the ground truth, rectifying the overhead imagery, then tying it all into your ultra high resolution computer map. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 ... 778m for us decimal folk... Thanks Russ! No cable tele for me John. Not enough time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Schulke Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Engineer, former military contractor, vet (E-5 11H / 31C) and Jack-of-all-trades! The Don River is in the background of the color photo on the left and the clips from some Russian newspapers about me. I have spoken all over the world about the street and factory fighting period of the Stalingrad battle including Germany, Russia (Volgograd) and the USA. I am current working on my own project but it’s only in its infancy and tentative title is "67 Days: The battle for Stalingrad’s streets and factories”. Russ www.fireonthevolga.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Gosh I like a happy ending to a thread. DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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