pcelt Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Just a little puzzled why in 1943 and 1944 the PZ lllF still seems available to me for choice in QBs when all the other early marks of the lll have disappeared. It is also the grey version which is available which is again not in keeping with the other camo developments. Have I missed some patch modification or is there some explanation of which I am unaware. Would appreciate a clarification on this . Thanks :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 I'm not really sure I understand the question. These variants were the strongest ones and were considered the only ones worth keeping. Also, some were not built from scratch, but were conversions of older Panzer IIIs, so for each one you lose one of the older models. The camouflage issue is just that BFC didn't bother to load seperate textures for these rarely used vehicles in these months. But you can load a camo modification just fine, if you can live with the fact that it wouldn't be turned back to grey in earlier months automatically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 The F model is the stubby 75mm? Yeh, the German crews positively loved that tank. Used it in the Bulge, used it during fighting in Germany. I guess it was the most reliable tank they had, was fast, had surprisingly good front armor for its size, and the 75mm HC (HEAT) round went a long way towards evening the odds against their bigger opponents. It'll certainly do more damage in-game to an IS-2 than the long 50mm tank gun would! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Originally posted by MikeyD: The F model is the stubby 75mm? No, the short 75mm was the N model 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlrender Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Right - the N is the 75mm and a camo version is in the game. The F has a 37mm gun and there is no reason why it should appear in 43/44. A game issue? Suggest you just don't pick it - it would be pretty useless against T34's anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 It is quite possible that it was still in use by Security units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike8g Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Just checked. This seems to be an issue only during QB selection. The editor uses the correct time frame for the Pz IIIf (06/41 - 12/42). BTW, if needed, you can easily create a yellow Pz IIIf by copying the yellow graphic files of a similar Pz III to the unused "yellow" location of the Pz IIIf (108600 - 108619). Marcus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelt Posted June 11, 2003 Author Share Posted June 11, 2003 Many thanks for all your useful comments. I like the idea of copying a yellow Pzlll bmps to bmps 108600--108619--------------could someone please give me the bmp number set of a similar Pzlll with yellow camo which I could rename to 108600--108619. Many thanks It has just occurred to me that no other Pzlll (yellow) would have an identical 37mm gun so would the copy not be inappropriate?? [ June 10, 2003, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: pcelt ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Originally posted by MikeyD: German crews positively loved that tank. Used it in the Bulge, used it during fighting in Germany. I guess it was the most reliable tank they had, was fast, had surprisingly good front armor for its size, and the 75mm HC (HEAT) round went a long way towards evening the odds against their bigger opponents. It'll certainly do more damage in-game to an IS-2 than the long 50mm tank gun would! What? Production ended in August 1943 with 663 produced and 37 rebuilt from damaged PIIIs. They were only assigned to Panzer Grenadier Divs and sPzAbt/sSSPzAbt. Their use in Tiger battalions was sharply curtailed because of thin armour, the ausf N only having the 5cm front armour basis similar to early ausf J. The StuG and PIV did everything the PIII 75 could for PzGr divisions with thicker armour and more powerful and accurate guns. There are only two PIIIs in use with the units at the "bulge," are command versions one for 15 PzGr Div and one for 3 PzGr Div. There are no PIII 75s in use with the Pz units in late 1944. Also none of the Pz equipped units have PIIIs on strength for the defence of Berlin, March 1945 onwards. (1996 Jentz) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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