Anyone ever invade Ireland as Allies?

[Col. Gen. Guderian]

I did it and plundered about 200 MPP I think it was, and it gives you an extra 10 MPP per turn. Only I threw everything I had at Dublin and forgot that there was no port, so i left 2 armies and a corps stranded. Whoops. It was only a muck about game though.

[Les the Sarge 9-1]

The accepted notion, is it is good for training the royal navy and airforce, but you only use a single corps to dish out the final attack to take the city.

Basically it's ok for a cash generator if you take it fast easy and efficiently.

I have done it a few times, but not often.

[zappsweden]

DOW Ireland is standard these days. A classic attack is DOW Ireland turn one, attacking the garrison with one navy and 2 carriers. The siege takes some turns but eventually Germany will give up reinforcing and you can land with a corps to take it.

[Blashy]

And if you want to keep training you carriers with no chances of intercepts, you can just leave it German until your carriers are at 4 bars, just keep dinging it every round so Axis do not get any mpp for it.

Although you'll most likely always find targets somewhere in the med that are unprotected by air cover, that is if the MED waters are allied control.

[Kuniworth]

Depends if you go for the dutch gambit, spanish gambit or Norway invasion. Otherwise YES invade.

[Edwin P.]

Ah yes, the Norway invasion. Properly executed upon an unsupecting Axis player it can give him a good case of heartburn.

[Aztecace]

Please explain the "Norway Invasion" please!

[Edwin P.]

Sometimes, while the Axis player is focused on taking France the UK player might decide to take Norway, of course it has to be timed just right and you have to use the French Navy to screen your transports from attack by German naval forces and bring in your carriers to attack the unit at Oslo and then quickly withdraw them before the Axis can shift airpower north.

If the Allies take Norway they 1) gain plunder, 2) gain increased production and 3) can make it really hard for the Axis to take Norway or Sweden. Yes Sweden, since while you are in control of Norway if the Axis attacks Stockholm and fails to conquer it in one turn you can operate in reinforcements. As for Norway, the Axis can still take it but it will take them an number of turns and UK naval forces will be able to sink many Axis transports while they are doing it.

Without Sweden and Norway the Axis loses the production that they normally rely on to finance their war machine.

[reiver]

Edwin P

Doesn't that delay the USA entry into the war significantly? Or does your MMP gain compensate?

I have not tried that kind of aggressive allied opening move - but I'm going to give it a shot tonight against the AI.

[Edwin P.]

It delays it as much as attacking Ireland but you get more MPPS from attacking Norway on an ongoing basis (2 cities and 2 ports vs 1 city).

Also, against the AI (but not against Humans!) it puts the Allies in a position to conquer Sweden, but they will need a HQ to do this.

IT should be noted that this move is easily implemented against the AI but not easily used against a human player. You should only try it against a human player when their air fleets are too far south to engage your carriers and if you can block the Baltic Straits with a naval fleet, otherwise their fleets will sink/damage your transports. If you can't land an Army to either side of Oslo then this move should not be considered. Properly executed, you can usually take Norway in one or two turns. (Army attacks from either side of Oslo and Carrier attacks Corps = Corps Destroyed.

[ May 26, 2004, 11:21 AM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ]

[Codename Condor]

Originally posted by Edwin P.:

Sometimes, while the Axis player is focused on taking France the UK player might decide to take Norway, of course it has to be timed just right and you have to use the French Navy to screen your transports from attack by German naval forces and bring in your carriers to attack the unit at Oslo and then quickly withdraw them before the Axis can shift airpower north.

If the Allies take Norway they 1) gain plunder, 2) gain increased production and 3) can make it really hard for the Axis to take Norway or Sweden. Yes Sweden, since while you are in control of Norway if the Axis attacks Stockholm and fails to conquer it in one turn you can operate in reinforcements. As for Norway, the Axis can still take it but it will take them an number of turns and UK naval forces will be able to sink many Axis transports while they are doing it.

Without Sweden and Norway the Axis loses the production that they normally rely on to finance their war machine.

Very good explanation Edwin, im gonna try to ilustrate myself the "reverse move" aka the "Scandinavian Blitz" by the germans.

Sometimes, while the Allied player is focused on taking Ireland and hunting subs the axis player might decide to take Norway&Sweden, of course it has to be timed just right and you have to use the Kriegsmarine and bring in your AFs to attack the unit at Oslo and then quickly attack Swede before the Allies can shift ships in the baltic.

If the Axis take Norway&Sweden JUST after Poland: 1) gain plunder, 2) gain increased production and 3) make it impossible for the Allies to take Norway or Sweden,

And whats more if Allies DOW Irelan (almost always) and the Italian readiness increases 10 points by this action then=> Italy WILL join axis just after Sweden surrenders!

Bad thing is that france survives more time and if u dont do it right u can be stopped soon in the game, but with the aditional plunders u can buy more troops, invest in HT to steal French tech, buy bombers to sink ships, AFs to crush the french armies,...and with Italy u can break from the south also if u are having problems in the north,...

[Liam]

If the Allies can invade Norway, I usually tend to think the Axis haven't done their job and it's likely time to quit.

[Tank Ace]

yes i did in demo and got 268 mpp