CMplayer Posted January 27, 2001 Share Posted January 27, 2001 A fourteen inch navel shell achieves a top penetration of a tank. It seems the tank just gets KO'd like any other penetration, and there is no blast effect on the surroundings. Is that tank some kind of iron stomach, with an infinite capacity to absorb? Very lucky for infantry that may be nearby. regards, --Rett [This message has been edited by CMplayer (edited 01-27-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goofy Posted January 27, 2001 Share Posted January 27, 2001 Can't see that as a result! I've seen one drop into a group of tanks and halftracks and the ones it didn't kill outright were immobilized and shocked (nearly as much as I was when I saw it!) and soon abandoned. Real biblical stuff! Finger of God and all that. A direct hit should just add some extra shrapnel to the mix! I watched it used to raze a town and I immediately thought about the Marines on Guadalcanal who had to absorb that kind of shelling every night for so long! This game has given me a whole new respect for those men!!! ------------------ Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar628 Posted January 27, 2001 Share Posted January 27, 2001 One possibility is that the shell was a dud. I'm not sure if duds are modeled in CM but it would not suprise me. A 14" shell landing on a turret would ruin any tankers day. A search on duds did not come up with any diffinitive answer. Does anyone know if dud artillery shells are modeled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted January 27, 2001 Author Share Posted January 27, 2001 Originally posted by Goofy: Can't see that as a result! I've seen one drop into a group of tanks and halftracks and the ones it didn't kill outright were immobilized and shocked (nearly as much as I was when I saw it!) and soon abandoned. Real biblical stuff! Finger of God and all that. A direct hit should just add some extra shrapnel to the mix! I watched it used to raze a town and I immediately thought about the Marines on Guadalcanal who had to absorb that kind of shelling every night for so long! This game has given me a whole new respect for those men!!! Okay, but I'm talking about a shell that actually achieved a 'top penetration'. Landing near a tank is enough to knock it out, but when it penetrates, the engine seems to handle it differently. regards,, --Rett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted January 27, 2001 Author Share Posted January 27, 2001 Originally posted by fubar628: One possibility is that the shell was a dud. I'm not sure if duds are modeled in CM but it would not suprise me. A 14" shell landing on a turret would ruin any tankers day. A search on duds did not come up with any diffinitive answer. Does anyone know if dud artillery shells are modeled? Sure, it could be a dud, but it would be odd if we are supposed to believe that every time one of those big shells top penetrates a tank, that it happened to be a dud. regards, --Rett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeAcH Posted January 27, 2001 Share Posted January 27, 2001 Sounds like a bug. Dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvet Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 My vote would be that it's a bug. For most shells this would not come into play, but for 14" it certainly would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 Originally posted by CMplayer: Sure, it could be a dud, but it would be odd if we are supposed to believe that every time one of those big shells top penetrates a tank, that it happened to be a dud. Or else they knew they were shooting at a tank so they broke out the solid AP instead of HE. The solid AP shell probably weighs almost as much as the tank turret and is longer than the turret is tall... ------------------ "If you can taste the difference between caviar on a cracker and ketchup on a Kit-Kat while blindfolded, you have not had enough aquavit to be ready for lutefisk." (stolen from some web page about lutefisk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNZer Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 I don't believe CM models duds. Must just be the way the code is handled. PeterNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 If you still have the game file send it to Madmatt and let him see if it is a bug. ------------------ Blessed be the Lord my strength who teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 Originally posted by chrisl: Or else they knew they were shooting at a tank so they broke out the solid AP instead of HE. The solid AP shell... AP naval shells aren't solid metal. They contain TNT, though not as much as an HC (high capacity) shell. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I/O Error Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 Homer Simpson: "Hmmmm... Donuts...." Tank hit by 14" Naval Shell: "Hmmm... Arty..." Is there a connection?! (Don't flame me too badly, I tried. I really did...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commissar Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 Must be a bug. I dont think CM models something as minute as arty duds...could be wrong of course, the game has impressed me before Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 01-28-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted January 28, 2001 Author Share Posted January 28, 2001 Originally posted by Wayne: If you still have the game file send it to Madmatt and let him see if it is a bug. Probably all penetrations are shunted into another part of the code which only take into account the effect on the tank, and doesn't think about the possibility of the blast being so strong as to have a catastrophic effect on the surroundings. Not so much a bug as an oversight, if that's how it is. regards, --Rett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted February 2, 2001 Share Posted February 2, 2001 Originally posted by Michael emrys: AP naval shells aren't solid metal. They contain TNT, ...You mean 14" APDS wasn't a standard load for the Allies in WW2? Surely they must have 14" APFSDS nowadays... Cheers Olle ------------------ Strategy is the art of avoiding a fair fight... [This message has been edited by Olle Petersson (edited 02-02-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarRat Posted February 2, 2001 Share Posted February 2, 2001 14" shaped charge. Should have good penetration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy w/gun Posted February 2, 2001 Share Posted February 2, 2001 Don't know if this is exactly what your talking about, but why is it that tanks that take DIRECT HITS from 14" dont explode? They simply are knocked out. No fire and explosions . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted February 2, 2001 Author Share Posted February 2, 2001 Originally posted by Guy w/gun: Don't know if this is exactly what your talking about, but why is it that tanks that take DIRECT HITS from 14" dont explode? They simply are knocked out. No fire and explosions . That is exactly what I was talking about. No one has (seriously) tried to explain it away, so it must have just been an oversight in the coding. regards, --Rett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted February 2, 2001 Share Posted February 2, 2001 It is just a current limitation of the code. Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeLover Posted February 3, 2001 Share Posted February 3, 2001 Heroic tank jumps on (drives under?) 14" shell...absorbs explosion, saving comrades. Iron Cross awarded posthumously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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