Dogface21 Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 I recently played a QB ,ME, as the allies. I decided to buy, (among the usuall combined arms) a platoon of chaffees, to test thier strengths and weaknesses. I think its best to try a whole platoon of a certain type when learning unit quirks, see all the aspects at once, experiment faster ect.ect. Anyways, I figured that since shermans die so quickly anyways, whats the loss of the armour if I can carry a gun just as good( or bad )as the Zippo? They cost 100 points straight up, have a good balanced ammo loadout, and allright speed. In two turns, my 5 Chaffees greased 3 PzIVs 2 Pumas, and a Panther G, with, and get this....NO LOSSES!! Nada,Zip,Nuttin'Hunny. Granted, I had good flank shots on the panther, but still, I was pleasantly suprised. They went on to splatter some Germans(its probably not PC to say the 'K' Word)in halftracks and a clay pigeon,ooops, I mean kubelwagon. I lost one to a shrek' and one was rendered immobile by ATmines. But given the average performance of Allied armour, Id have to say thy're my new fave, well, for the Allies. So I was wondering what everyone else thought of them, likes and dislikes, or just some history maybe? Also, just for fun, If you had to be beamed back Into WWII, And you could pick any WWII era tank to drive, no matter which side you fought, what one would it be? For me, I think it would be the panther G, but its a hard one. This is kinda a geeky question, but, c'mon, I KNOW youve thought about it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Ahh! the Chaffee. I really like that little tank. The Chaffee was a replacement for the Stuart and as such should be considered for roles as such. The 75mm is not the same gun off of a Sherman though, it is (IIRC) the M6 gun, used from the Mitchell bomber. The armor is only ~25mm but with good slope thus increasing protection. Also the Torsion Bar suspension also helps the tank in all the standard "good suspension" ways. Basically you can hunt light armor and threaten medium armor with the Chaffee. Also while this is far from the norm, in a freakish accident I had a Chaffee deflect a 88mm round from a KT at ~300m in a battle the other day! Sloped armor is good. Given a choice of armor that I would command in the war I think I would choose the British Avenger TD. Only a few were built and none served (the Comet superceding it) but a tank destroyer with 32mph and 100+ mm armor on hull and turret sounds good to me. Also a true 17lbs gun not the Hybrid on the Comet. Although quick second choices would be the Austrailian Sentinel, Pershing, and of course the ever popular Tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybeq Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 I don't have a whole lot of experience with the Chaffee but it was one of my faves in Steel Panthers. During QB's I usually go for Stuarts as my light tank of choice but I think I'll give the Chaffee a go next time. Yes, I've thought about what tank I'd wanna be in during the war. I honestly don't have a clear cut favorite though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 The Centurian. It never saw action, and I'm a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly Dave Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 For goodness sake you guys keep your voices down, the chaffee is the secret weapon that gets brushed aside by most players. Its fast and is great for zipping around the town taking pot shots up the panthers backside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Historically the Chaffee proved to be reliable in the field, but undergunned if they had to face any kind of armor. They saw extensive action in Korea, where they were some of the first tanks on the scene. The experience led to the belief that they needed upgunning, and the Walker Bulldog resulted. A sort of Chaffee crossed with Hellcat - 45 mph, 76mm high velocity gun with full top and MGs. Bulldogs served in Vietnam. Compared to Stuarts there is no contest. The serious alternative to pick in WW II is the Hellcat - better vs. armor, not as useful against infantry and artillery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface21 Posted August 24, 2001 Author Share Posted August 24, 2001 I remember seeing a picture of the MAUS, this gawdawfull huge behemoth that looked like it could pound the snot out of anything.Well, if it could move.Im going to do some experiments with the chaffee, see how it stands up in differant situations.It seems that the stats dont allways mean the bottom line on how good a unit is. Ill report my findings when I get a chance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface21 Posted August 24, 2001 Author Share Posted August 24, 2001 I played a QB ME, 1250 pts. that comes out to 12 Chaffees. 1 whirblewind 1JagdpnzrIV 1 tiger 1PzrV Panther 1PzrIVJ 1Hetzer 1 Marder 1Jagdpanther 1 wespe All for the cost of 4 Chaffees. While this is probably not the most scientific test, it shows what it can do. It seems to have uncanny accuracy while moving on fast, which makes it top pick for flanking and manuvering. A regular crew killed a hetzer at 800 m and the JagdpnzIV at 700m, the rest were closer, and from the flanks, but this lil puppy can MOVE. I know most people out here already are aware of this lil gem, but it is new to me! If anyone has some good tactics they like to use, let me know. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dogface21: Also, just for fun, If you had to be beamed back Into WWII, And you could pick any WWII era tank to drive, no matter which side you fought, what one would it be?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Crushing behemoth of steel [ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: Kingfish ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvet Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Hey Kingfish, that's a cool little tank there. It said the British modified the gun to get 4000 ft/sec with a tungsten 30mm round. I wonder what kind of penetration you could get with that round. Anybody know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Kingfish, is that your web site? It can't be for real? Somebody's messing with us. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Well as far as which tank I would have picked to be in I guess I'd have to say the jumbo 76mm if allied or if they had made me be on the German side the Panther. Don't know enough about the differences in the Panthers to say which one so whichever one was the best. I assume this was the G late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRSutton Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Well, actually, any American tank. Cause they all had excellent radios. Usefull for calling in the Jabos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Love the Chaffee as an alround tank, faster than the Sherman, and not much less likely to get a penitration on a hit, but my favorite tank of all is the Hellcat. The spped makes it an increadible hit and run weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvet Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lcm1947: Kingfish, is that your web site? It can't be for real? Somebody's messing with us. Right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No, it was a real tank. That particular picture on the link Kingfish put up is a bit suspect though. I don't think that guy was originally there, as he seems a bit off in size. Here is the original picture I think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted August 29, 2001 Share Posted August 29, 2001 Thanks Subvet for clearing that up. Man, I was thinking - get out of here! Would have been interesting to get some data on it like weight, speed, crew size etc. Not a bad looking tank overall but not a mean looking one either. Kind of plain, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellmz Posted August 29, 2001 Share Posted August 29, 2001 in my invasion america scenarios, i use chaffees as the us main tank. reason? line up a large number of shermans vs panzer ivs on a flat map, panzer ivs win. do the same with chaffees, and the us wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 The Chafee is a lot of people's favorites. It is not the king of the battlefield, but you can do a lot with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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