jgdpzr Posted January 25, 2000 Share Posted January 25, 2000 Mikeman, you'll find the AI in PitS and ToP to be very capable. One word of warning: Only consider them if you consider yourself a grognard. There is absolutely NO chrome or eye candy. But, there is hands down the most detailed command and control structure. I only played PitS, and while I found it extremely challenging and rewarding, the outdated appearance eventually sapped some of my interest. I guess I am no true grognard. Other games I have enjoyed echo many that have been listed: Steel Panthers I Panzer General I&II (sometimes beer & pretzels hit the spot) CC1 & CC2 (I liked the AI in the first but preferred the multiplay in the second) Ardennes Offensive (outstanding AI makes the game, that and I like using the divisional symbols on my markers, Mikeman, you'll find your AI here, AND, SSG is making their follow-up which I believe includes the whole first version, free to the public, haven't downloaded it yet, but plan to) And my current favorite (I know it's not a true wargame, but a sim): Panzer Elite. Damn fine game, first tank sim that has ever held my interest for more than a few hours (MANY more than a few hours). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Posted January 26, 2000 Share Posted January 26, 2000 The PC wargame i have spent the most time with would have to be the original Steel Panthers. Also from a few years back I had a lot of fun with Command HQ. Going even further back to the dark ages of the C64 I quite enjoyed the SSG games Carriers at War and Battlefront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EJL Posted January 26, 2000 Share Posted January 26, 2000 The game that I have spent the most time on is TOAW and TOAW II, Steel Panthers Series (including WW2 version), and the EF2/WF series (yes, I'm talonsoft's bitch...). My first Computer wargamming experience was with 2 titles from SSI for the C64, one was Overrun! and the other was, I think, Typhoon of Steel. These two were the two that "started it all" for me. Anyone remeber these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werfer Posted January 27, 2000 Share Posted January 27, 2000 There was a grand old wargame on the old atari xl series called "eastern front". The game was very primitive being only on a plug in cartridege, but was most enjoyable. I remember one bad habit of the ai doing, was when you really crushed a soviet unit, it would "retreat" forwards!. I really enjoy any of the PG series tiltles, including PG3, which has been reamed on some other discussion boards. Never foud much of a liking for West Front or East Front2 titles from Talonsoft, nor greatly impressed by cc2 or cc4 (even though I still play them). CC3 was my favorite title from that series. The demo for CM looks pretty darn good, took the best of PG series and combined them with some CC series positives, threw in outstanding graphics and came out with a beautiful looking game!. thanks werfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasd Posted January 27, 2000 Share Posted January 27, 2000 Manta Ray, I did exactly the same thing when i was in the army, Panger General is the greates turn based war game ive ever played, look out for Panger General 3 , it's going to be third dimensional, im definately going to purchase it to dampen my cravings for the full version of cm. P.S. Ive figured out the caps thing, but i think my pinky on my left hand id going to wear down to the bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasd Posted January 27, 2000 Share Posted January 27, 2000 Oh, adn if you like WW2 board games as i do try axia and allies it's the best, and also, i dont get all this cc1, toaw, and all that ? I must go now my pinky is going to fall off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hundminen Posted January 27, 2000 Author Share Posted January 27, 2000 Got back into CC2 on the zone the last two nights, the first time in almost 2 years! I still think it's the best bloody non-beta game out there! I know it is because I've been dragging my tired butt around the office the last 2 days. Hundminen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted January 27, 2000 Share Posted January 27, 2000 Wow doesn't anyone go back pre WW2? I really liked Waterloo and Gettysburg by Talonsoft as well as EF/WF. I'll add my support for PiTs and ToP. I also liked Alexander the Great and Hannibal since I played the boardgames so much. (And I like thsoe periods too). I do enjoy Panzer Elite. M1Tp when it was out. Does anyone remember Frontline for the old Colecovision? Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted January 27, 2000 Share Posted January 27, 2000 I bought Battleground: Gettysburg and loved it. Ended up buying a book about the big Civil War battles to learn a bit more. I then held out until the rest of the Battleground games dropped in price. I ended up picking up the whole set on the cheap in a compendium package. Four games in each for $20. My first AH game was Frederick the Great. Got it as a gift from my Aunt when I was nine. But I've lost the instructions. Grrrr!! After playing WWII games, the Battleground series was a god change of pace. I especially like the way the commanders were dealt with. Definitely a pain in the butt keeping all the troops in command up to the highest general. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 If you want to talk about old wargames, how about the Wargame Construction Set from SSI? I have that for my C-64. My favorite scenario from there is Rommel's 88's. Ah, memories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Fox Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 My favourite 'new' wargame is TAO2, with an even better AI than the first version it is occupying my time from the CMbeta at the moment and it's free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frank Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 Computer Bismarck - anyone remember this one! Harpoon I & II PacWar (all three versions 2 Apple, 1 IBM) War in Russia XCOM Battleground Ardennes (the editor is still better then EF/WF). I never understood why Avalon Hill didn't copy the hell out of this game it plays just like Panzer Leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 USAAF by SSI is the game I recall with fondest memories. Recently though SP-III and Sid Meier's Gettysburg have taken up a lot of post-midnight hours!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 I don't get why people say that the AI in Ardennes offensive was any good. What was so good about it? I found it incredibly easy to beat. Second time through the Bulge campaign as Germans. Playing on 'Hard'. I managed to destroy every single Allied unit while losing none of mine. And by the end of the game every one of my units was at full strength. The basic way to win the game is surround and destroy. Over and over again. Don't fight any battle at anything less than 7-1 odds and make sure your defensive line is strong enough that the Allies don't counter attack. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Foobar Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 I wish I had War in Russia!!!! I tried to track it down on the abandonware webring, but no luck... Can anyone here help me???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GriffinCheng Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 I read about somebody out there is upgrading the graphics of WiR and PacWar. You can find more info here: http://www.matrixgames.com/ http://pacificwar.thegamers.net/ http://wir.thegamers.net/ Check them out. [This message has been edited by GriffinCheng (edited 01-28-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxm2 Posted January 29, 2000 Share Posted January 29, 2000 Werfer (?) said: "There was a grand old wargame on the old Atari xl series called "eastern front"." Yes! The first major programming effort by Chris Crawford. The AI despite its flaws was better than many much later efforts where figures endlessly walk into walls, etc. It was very hard to beat, and it fit in a 16K cartridge! More nostalgia: anyone remember the SSI game (which I loaded into my Atari from a cassette tape) called something (Company?) "Commander" which was a real time game on a company level. You would get several units (companies?) consisting of mortars, tanks (usually five or so), and three or four platoons. Sound familiar? This is a direct distant ancestor of CM. Now, the graphics were little typewriter-like symbols, but you could see little "explosions" where your ordnance was hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W583 Posted January 31, 2000 Share Posted January 31, 2000 If you ask me what is kind of game I play most and what I really like... I would say that Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Quake 2 (action) and some of games that takes years to finish Drumbeat and Bomber 3 other then that it will be CM demo Speaking of CM WHEN IS IT OUT???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been waiting for it for along time............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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