Moon Posted March 24, 2000 Share Posted March 24, 2000 I bet the US Army would like to see more of these... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalem Posted March 25, 2000 Share Posted March 25, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I can understand that a higher ROF would mean more potent Anti infantry Gun... so when we compare the M2 to the Mg42 are we looking at a potent anti-armor vs. a potent anti-infantry gun, or am I just way off the mark here?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Eridani- It boils down to 'different tools for different jobs': I believe that the M2 .50 was actually originally designed as an antivehicle weapon (pre-war). Even if that's wrong, it still is more effective against a hard target than the much smaller-caliber MG42 due to the size and weight of its bullet. Likewise, the MG42 would be more effective (all else being equal) against soft targets due mainly to its high ROF as you mentioned. That of course is not to say that I'd want to be fired on by either weapon - neither an MG42 while 'safe' in a thinly-armored box, nor an M2 .50 while hugging the earth; they are both deadly - they are machine guns, after all. They both keep heads down. Anyway, the M2 .50 spits a mean-sized bullet at a decent velocity a lo-o-o-ng way. But it is very big and very heavy (as is its ammo - those rounds are BIG). The MG42 spits a LOT of rifle-caliber bullets at a good velocity out to a decent range. And is very portable. You pick which you'd use against a HT, and which you'd use against a bunch of rifle platoons. The *true* bottom line is that heck, they're both great guns, going on more than half-a-century of service for each. I'll take one of each. -dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted March 25, 2000 Share Posted March 25, 2000 Maniac Moran said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> >Why would 20-30 meters make chance of >penetration go from 0 - 100? Probably simple physics. A bullet will either penetrate or not penetrate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Correct. This is true even for the big stuff, but especially true for smaller rounds because they have less kenetic energy and mass. I have no idea about the physics behind stuff like this, but Charles sure does The .50cal MG is more like a German 20mm AA gun. The .30cal is the one that is more like the MG34/42. Comparing the .50cal to any other light MG is like comparing a Sherman to a Stuart. Totally different beasts. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted March 25, 2000 Share Posted March 25, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Well I don't know about CM (yet) but in Close Combat halftracks seem to get toasted practically every time they come under fire from MGs on up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL and in CC I can take out KTs hiding behind houses out of LOS with Calliopes. Using CC as a benchmark for realism is like using poison ivy as garnish... i.e. Painful and DOOMED TO FAILURE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted March 25, 2000 Share Posted March 25, 2000 Some more pics: http://www.bigtimesoftware.com/images/ - Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted March 25, 2000 Share Posted March 25, 2000 Hmmm. Looking at: http://www.bigtimesoftware.com/images/jumstug.jpg I don't think I'd want my Stug going after a Jumbo 76. Which begs the question, will the AI back off of a tank fight it can't possibly win? - Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 26, 2000 Share Posted March 26, 2000 Yeah, those armor penetration diagrams are things of sheer beauty, aren't they? Boy, it sure would be nice if we could have every possible weapon/ammo combination vs every possible target (plus hull down seperate) available on the CD in these neat diagrams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted March 26, 2000 Share Posted March 26, 2000 Post from Steve dated June 3, 1999. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>We will provide hundreds of these charts as part of the on-line documentation for the game. Probably in HTML or something, though we haven't decided.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Whether this is still the plan, I don't know. Jason - master of the search function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Huang Posted March 26, 2000 Share Posted March 26, 2000 I fired 50 Cal many times and we have AP ammo for this giant MG, it definitely can kill HTs in a short distance. I doubled if US army have the AP ammo in the WW II, if yes, then the German HTs are dead meat if hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted March 26, 2000 Share Posted March 26, 2000 http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/000232.html SEE the thread that begat the MG vs halftrack graphs! Jason - the search function is but my lackey, forced to do my bidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted March 27, 2000 Share Posted March 27, 2000 Some days ago I watched a reportage about Navy SEALs on TV. A sniper with a .50 cal rifle was target practicing on the side armour of a M60 turret. I do not know if the bullet was meant to penetrate, but this is what he did. Regards, Thomm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 27, 2000 Share Posted March 27, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fionn: Using CC as a benchmark for realism is like using poison ivy as garnish... i.e. Painful and DOOMED TO FAILURE !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Man this is the most beautiful comparison ever! Fionn you are brilliant! ------------------ Visit my webpage! http://cm4mac.tripod.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Sosaboski Posted March 27, 2000 Share Posted March 27, 2000 Thomm, I was watching another program on anti-tank weapons, and indeed they are working on a 50 cal. sniper rifle with a laser guided BULLET! Apparently, they are in teams of two. One fires the rifle and the other "paints" the target with the laser. Quite effective when aimed at ammo magazine . Laser guided bullets. What'll they think of next? ------------------ Sosabowski, 1st Pol. Abn. Yes, I know my name is spelled wrong as a member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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