jshandorf Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 Hey, BTS. I am curious... Since aircraft cost so much and can be quite devistating on the battlefield are they modeled individually? For instance.. For the Germans do you differentiate between the ME-109s and the FW-190s? Also do you have different variants of each since the armorment layouts for each variant can be quite different? For instance.. The the P-51 typically had 6x.50 cal MGs with 2.5 inch rockets or bombs, where as a P-37 had 4x .50 cal MGs and a 20mm cannon. I am just curious since each plane has different capabilities. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted October 16, 2000 Share Posted October 16, 2000 Nope no diffrences between Spitfire's and Thunderbolts British= Rockets and 2cm cannons USA=50cal and 500lbs bombs Germany= 2cm cannons and 500lbs? or 250kg? bombs ------------------ From the jshandorf "Why don't we compare reality to the game like Bastables likes to do all the time?" Mr T's reply "Don't touch me FOO!" "Yes that's right Jerry, RUN, Run for your little lives because Tommy's gotten close enough to assault mhahahahah." Nizam al-Mulk, (Order of the realm) In speaking of his superb disregard of maneuver warfare, in the destruction of OGSF hamsters who then carried on to flee the battle in their own notion of maneuver warfare. Tally HO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshandorf Posted October 17, 2000 Author Share Posted October 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bastables: Nope no diffrences between Spitfire's and Thunderbolts British= Rockets and 2cm cannons USA=50cal and 500lbs bombs Germany= 2cm cannons and 500lbs? or 250kg? bombs <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's too bad.. Cause a P-47 has 20mm cannons. Also the British Mosquito has a variant that has 37mm cannon, I think. I would think this would be a great thing to address in later versions of CM. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Offwhite Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 I think you mean P-38 with that 20mm I'm pretty dang sure I've seen US fighters attack with rockets instead of bombs, anybody else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 Plane load outs aren't completly restricted to what's posted above. The load out is random but the nationality you are fighting as effect the selection. Rockets for Brits, Bombs for USA and Germany. ------------------ And if we abandon any platform, I can assure you it will not be the Macintosh. -Steve My website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jshandorf: That's too bad.. Cause a P-47 has 20mm cannons. Jeff<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry, Jeff but I think the P-47 had 8 .50 cal Mgs.... ------------------ Land Soft--Kill Quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longshot Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 If those are planes you are using in our email game, they must be B-52s. That last bombardment looked like an "Arc-Light" strike form up close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinCheng+ Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 IIRC, P-38 was not that active in the Western Front by the time CMBO is modelled. P-47 was the backbone of USAAF CAS plane when P-51 replaced them as the bomber escort role. the 8 MGs on P-47 were pretty devastating to thin tank top side armor. Later models of P-47 and P-51 carried rockets. The Brits used mainly Typhoon with 20mm rockets for CAS role and was pretty successful. For Germans, Stuka was mostly retired after 1943 and was replaced by Hs-129, Fw-190F/G as CAS aircraft. They employed bombs, rockets and cool FLaK guns. I am typing all these while in workplace without any library support so I hope they are correct. Griffin. ------------------ "+" is just the beginning. Expect to see "GriffinCheng76", "GriffinCheng(105)" or "GriffinChengA3E8" more should Forum problems occur again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellmz Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 just for fun i did a fw quick battles against ai where i had one us squad and massive german armor but with massive us air power (assaults of 30,000 points allow a couple thousand points worth of arty support) anyway, there were bombs, strafes, and rockets...not that many kills, but whatever.... ------------------ "They had their chance- they have not lead!" - GW Bush "They had mechanical pencils- they have not...lead?" - Jon Stewart on The Daily Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PzKpfw 1 Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GriffinCheng+: IIRC, P-38 was not that active in the Western Front by the time CMBO is modelled. Griffin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> P-38's were active in the ETO with the IX & XIX TACs till the end of the war & as FB's Ie, 9th AF during the Ardennes had 3, P-38 Fighter groups operating with the 70th Fighter Wing, the 367th, 370'th & 474th. P-38's were also used in the TAC air reconnaissance group's with P-51s. They were not as numerous as the P-47 equipped groups but they still had a presence. Regards, John Waters ------------------ "We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field". Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945. [This message has been edited by PzKpfw 1 (edited 10-16-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinCheng+ Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>P-38's were active in the ETO with...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thx for the clearing up. Griffin. ------------------ "+" is just the beginning. Expect to see "GriffinCheng76", "GriffinCheng(105)" or "GriffinChengA3E8" more should Forum problems occur again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinCheng+ Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by russellmz: just for fun i did a fw quick battles against ai where i had one us squad and massive german armor but with massive us air power (assaults of 30,000 points allow a couple thousand points worth of arty support) anyway, there were bombs, strafes, and rockets...not that many kills, but whatever.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Unfortunately CAS in CM is nothing more than a well-documented double-edged sword to both sides. I wonder if having a skin-mod where insigna flags are placed on the back of AFVs help. I am not sure if it happens to USAAF only but I think it is general to all sides. Griffin. ------------------ "+" is just the beginning. Expect to see "GriffinCheng76", "GriffinCheng(105)" or "GriffinChengA3E8" more should Forum problems occur again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandorf Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Airborne: Sorry, Jeff but I think the P-47 had 8 .50 cal Mgs.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Oops. You're right. I was thinking of the Hurricanes and Typhoons. Also I meant to say P-38 instead of P-37. damn.. I gotta quit posting at work. Too paranoid to check my posts for errors. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertape Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 I think the Mosquito with the 37mm cannon was most often used as a shipbuster, not a tankbuster (although I may be wrong). Hard to judge shell-time-to-target with the 37 versus a relatively small target like a tank. Much easier with a destroyer. GAFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busboy Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 You folks for the most part obviously aren't flyboys! Most of the errors people posted were eventually cleared up above, but I'll correct the latest. The "Tse Tse" Mosquito had a 57mm cannon, not 37mm, and was used almost exclusively for shipbusting. Also, 250kg bombs are the equivelent to a 551lb pound bomb, so the difference is minor; all aircraft bombs are probably modeled the same. ------------------ busboy CO, 99th Dragons A Warbirds Squadron 'We will heat you up' "It is well that war is so terrible, else we would grow too fond of it." -Robert E. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntelWeenie Posted October 17, 2000 Share Posted October 17, 2000 Yes, the old days of model aircraft building are paying off! This is from memory, so be nice if I slip up: P-38 1x20mm, 4x.50cal P-47 8x.50cal P-51D 6x.50cal (B model 4x.50cal) all above a/c had various bomb/rocket loads available Spitfire 2x20mm, 4x.303MG (some marks 4x20mm) Tempest 4x20mm Typhoon 4x20mm Mosquito 4x20mm, 4x.303MG (commonly, variants had other armaments) All had bombs/rockets avaliable (don't know of Spits normally carrying rockets, though) BF109G 2x13mm, 1x20mm FW190A/F 2x13mm, 2-4x20mm All above a/c had various bomb/rocket/gun pod loads available (one version of the FW-190 could even carry a torpedo!) I don't think other German ground attack a/c are modeled in CM (HS129, ME262-a1, Ju88, etc.), but hopefully we'll see some of them in CM2. ------------------ Cats aren't clean, they're covered with cat spit. [This message has been edited by IntelWeenie (edited 10-17-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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