Erwin Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 FWIW: I loaded CMBS with no mods added. The US Stryker troops still have 25mm HEDP along with 25mm Therm and ABHE (what is ABHE btw?) and 40mm HEDP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 AirBurst High Explosive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 Ah... I thought that was the point of all the 25mm ammo. So only the ABHE does that downward behind the wall clearing trick. The other 25mm (Therm) are simple direct fire dumb HE grenades? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Erwin said: The other 25mm (Therm) are simple direct fire dumb HE grenades? Depends on the fuze and I don't know which one they use for thermobaric But IMHO CDTE thermobaric should be a joke IRL. 25mm is too small a caliber to produce enough FA mixture to generate any decent overpressure wave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, IMHO said: thermobaric should be a joke IRL Fortunately, the Russkies always appreciate a good joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 9:10 AM, IMHO said: HEDP is 40x46 only. CDTE has only ABHE and Therm So, what is the story that 25mm HEDP that I saw my squads carrying? Had a message from someone that was looking at this and decided it's not a problem. Am just curious... is IMHO correct that 25mm HEDP does not exist? Or, is it that the US squads with CDTE weapon in the CMBS game can have 25mm HEDP, but that there is no resupply of 25mm HEDP in the Strykers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/5/2018 at 8:56 PM, Erwin said: So, what is the story that 25mm HEDP that I saw my squads carrying? Had a message from someone that was looking at this and decided it's not a problem. Am just curious... is IMHO correct that 25mm HEDP does not exist? Or, is it that the US squads with CDTE weapon in the CMBS game can have 25mm HEDP, but that there is no resupply of 25mm HEDP in the Strykers? That message was from me. For the rest of the folks who were not part of messaging, I looked into this and found references to an anti-armor round for the M25 being available. It (and other references) stated that the round could penetrate "up to" 50mm of armor. Sounds to me like a HEAT-effect round. In modern US parlance, that would make sense that it would be an HEDP round. There were also references to a flechette round. As I told Erwin, I consider this 25mm HEDP round to be consistent with the hypothetical nature of CMBS. Since the XM25/M25 was removed from combat evals in 2013, and the system has been cancelled or otherwise put into limbo, this makes all in-game use of the M25 CDTE weapon a bit of a guess. Therefore, any ammo loadout for a hypothetical weapon in a hypothetical conflict would be acceptable...if that ammo exists. Which it does. An argument to remove the 25mm HEDP ammo would have to be pretty airtight...especially since BFC was dealing with projecting future capabilities into a hypothetical conflict. An argument to change (meaning "add more" since there currently is none) 25mm HEDP ammo to the Stryker's on-board ammo supply would have to be equally airtight. I am firmly (now, after having researched this for several days) in the camp that 25mm HEDP as part of the basic load is fine and that there is no need to add more 25mm HEDP to the Strykers. Squads carried in Strykers have the following anti-armor capability available: AT4, AT136, Javelin, 40mm HEDP, .50 cal. AP-I. The 4 rounds of 25mm HEDP carried by the M25 gunner would seem sufficient for ancillary anti-armor purposes. With the plethora of other anti-armor munitions available to the Stryker squad, I cannot see giving up more 25mm air-burst munitions in exchange for 25mm anti-armor munitions. That's my .02. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 @c3k Thank you for all the time you devoted to getting to the bottom of this. +1 Sir. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Yes, what you say makes sense. Will have wait and see if we can get reports that the 25mm APHE rounds get used in appropriate manner in the game. Edited April 7, 2018 by Erwin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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