Zveroboy1 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 It is a bit hard to make sense of what is going on. It seems that the separatists have captured the small town of Vuhlehirsk on the west side of the pocket and also the village of Nikishyne in the south east sector in the last two weeks. Civilians are being evacuated from Debaltseve. Are these reports accurate at all? Is this the beginning of a serious push to close the pocket, or just minor fighting to gnaw at its edges with no operational significance? Perhaps only to be in a better position at the negotiation table? What is the Ukrainian army doing? Is it elsewhere or preparing a counter offensive? Inquiring minds want to know. I don't want this to turn into a political thread, just curious about what the situation is and how it is evolving. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krater Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 As far as I understand, the separatists staged a fairly large offensive meant to pinch off the Debaltsevo salient. As a repetition of Illovaysk, it was meant to surround and reduce the Ukrainian forces there. However, the operation was at best a partial success. Reportedly the separatist casualties have been heavy - or at least heavier than in many similar operations priviously. There has been several explanations offered for this: 1) Lack of support from Russian army units, unlike in Illovaysk 2) Lack of coordination between infantry and armored units 3) Actual sabotage by the Russian government, meant to destroy specific units participating in the offence - units in question reportedly being composed of people opposed to negotiated solution. Ukrainians have suffered minor territorial reverses, and their casualties have been significant - but lighter than separatists'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKODA Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Sorry to go slightly off-topic but an enormous explosion in Donetsk has just been posted online, I'm sure you will soon be seeing it on the news. I don't believe it was a tactical nuke but it was easily the largest explosion I have seen in a modern conflict. I hope it was an ammo dump going up because it was scary big. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lb1TAMTZv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ZwQzRznNw Edited February 9, 2015 by TAKODA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saferight Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 It was a chemical plant getting hit by arty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zveroboy1 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 This is one nasty looking explosion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'm sure you will soon be seeing it on the news. I don't believe it was a tactical nuke but it was easily the largest explosion I have seen in a modern conflict. There have been others, here and there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinko Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Oh my. That doesn't look good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russwg1970 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 It was a chemical plant getting hit by arty. Link? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennay Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) There have been others, here and there. wow any idea what that was? edit: most plausible reports online are that it was a weapons factory located on a Syrian military research facility Edited February 9, 2015 by Bennay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zveroboy1 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 If this is accurate, it looks dangerously close to being pinched off. But then again who knows with this conflict? Both sides claim the other side is losing. I mean is to be expected but it is hard to assess who is right and who is wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saferight Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Link? http://itar-tass.com/en/world/776310 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russwg1970 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) http://itar-tass.com/en/world/776310 Ok, cool... thanks for the link. Edited February 9, 2015 by russwg1970 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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