Cuddles the Warmonger Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 *Before any starts, lets keep the Armata and its potential out of the discussion* So I've been having this civil debate with this person over which tank, in general, is superior. I know that there are quite a few tankers and tank enthusiasts here, and to be completely honest, my knowledge of armored warfare probably isn't entirely up to snuff. I'd also encourage the uses of sources, complete sentences, and historical examples and precedents (like the 1st and 2nd Iraq and Chechen wars, testing, etc.) And remember, we all love Russia and America equally, save any jingoism for later... Some sources so far (I know many of these are probably biased for or against whatever tanks, because of sources of origin, but whatevs): * http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_tank_heavy_armoured_vehicles_u/t-90_mbt_main_battle_tank_technical_data_sheet_specifications_information_description_pictures.html * http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_tank_heavy_armoured_vehicles_u/t-90ms_main_battle_tank_data_sheet_specifications_information_specifications_pictures.html * http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/apfsds/ammo.html * http://dokwar.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/bronetekhnika/sravnenie_tankov_altay_leopard_2a_t_90/13-1-0-45 * http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB1069.pdf * http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/3-2002/ac/raowdsmcc/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdwing Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Both tanks are pretty cool guys in my book. I'd buy em a beer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Radically different designs made for different purposes. It is the Sherman vs Tiger debate set in modern times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The M1 is better than the late model T90s but not by a wide margin. Both stand a good chance at a first shot kill at normal CMBS ranges, however the Abrams commands a sensor advantage and a better first shot to kill ratio. Which is to say the Abrams is more likely to get the first shot and kill on that first shot but the T90 stands a good chance of winning if it gets the first round off, although not to the degree of the Abrams. It's not really tiger vs sherman in that the tactics are very similar just the Abrams has a higher chance of success at those tactics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Panther vs. T-34/85. Very rough analogy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdwing Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Sherman Easy-8 vs T-34/85 maybe? Or that a bit TOO similar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 They're really alike in terms of capabilities just the Abrams does it all a bit better. More of a capabilities gap than M4A3E8 and T-34 though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_zero Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's been said weapons are a reflection of the society and culture that produced them at a given point in time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 T-90 is lighter so it can cross some bridges the Abrams can't. Based on how much fuel the Abram's turbine engine burns I would also bet the T-90 has a shorter logistical tail. But those factors are mostly irrelevant in tactical war games, which by their nature tend to emphasize the gun and armor above other factors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Does this T90 have the 2A82 gun? T90AM in game does not. Edited February 3, 2015 by ikalugin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 IIRC all Russian tanks in the game are assumed to be armed with 2A46M-5. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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