The_MonkeyKing
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the big ones blew:
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53 minutes ago, Fenris said:
This is that HMMWV hitting a mine incident as seen from their recce drone
Here it is from the point of view of the Humwee crew: https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yqz3hv/nucking_futs_turret_pov_antitank_mine_blast/
Humwee was designed with AT-mines in mind. Those pesky IEDs were the problem in middle east.
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Grigin in going grimdark
Might be a bloody night coming.
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rumor mill:
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24 minutes ago, FancyCat said:
We saw with Lyman that Russia can hold an urban position for a decent amount of time, destroying Kherson, killing untold numbers of civilians and risking the deaths of soldiers does not benefit Ukraine vs allowing Russia to withdraw their troops.
All the troops that get out are going to have to be squished at some point, somewhere.
It is a matter of deciding where it is the most efficient to do.
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3 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said:
If that is correct, then it is indeed a disappointment that more weren't trapped on the right bank.
I am very curious to know how the Russians were able to do it. My guess is they packed the ferries and had troops walk over the damaged bridges. Both methods would allow for rapid removal of forces, however it would necessitate leaving large amounts of equipment behind.
If Russia managed to do this then it means they also executed a very successful rearguard delaying action. Another indication of what the Russians can do when they have decent units and clear headed leadership. We should be thankful that both seem to be exceptions to how Russia has fought almost all of this war so far.
Steve
I am sure a retreat operation from a bridgehead is the thing to motivate the RUS troops to give all they got. Back against the wall so to say.
But disaster can still strike. I am skeptical most troops would have gotten out already. Ukraine would(or should) have collapsed the fronts the moment RUS started pulling back in significant amounts.
Or maybe that was what we saw when the Kherson front started moving a while back, but RUS managed to stabilize and hold.
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3 minutes ago, Haiduk said:
Most of Russian troops already on left bank. UKR troops advance with cautions, because many mines on the roads, destroyed bridges and hazard of ambushes
I am having hard time seeing this as not a lost opportunity for the Ukrainians if most of the Russians get out.
All the troops that get out are going to have to be squished at some point, somewhere. Now the odds would be nicely in Ukraine's favor.
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If we compare this to Dunkirk in troops and the distances the distances are similar but the troops amounts are about 10% of that in Dunkirk. Timescale seems to be similar.
Map of France overlaid:
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2 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:
I really don't understand how Russians will supposedly be able to pull back so many troops (20,000 men?) across the river when they are under constant pressure from Ukraine and the bridges are gone?
Isn't a fighting withdrawal one of the most difficult maneuvers to pull off, even when your army is still halfway decent and there's no river to cross?
If you ask me they have been pulling back for a long while now.
Even the progress UKR made in north Kherson might be related to Russia having started to pull back.
Worst case for UKR is all we are now seeing are just rearguard unit actions. Those unlucky ones.
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Just now, Pete Wenman said:
Big if true !
Big if RUS managed to do it so orderly as it now seems.
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and rumor mill starting up:
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presumably the Russians blowing Bridges in their rear areas in Kherson left and right.
Why for any other reason than imminent retreat?
EDIT:
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The Pentagon will pay for the Czech Republic to upgrade 45 Soviet-era T-72 tanks for use in Ukraine
Meanwhile, the Netherlands will fund the refurbishment of another 45 Czech T-72 tanks
The package also includes money to send 250 M1117 armored vehicles for the first time, as well as 40 riverine boats, and 1,100 Phoenix Ghost drones
In another first, the latest U.S. aid package also includes funding to upgrade a number of American Hawk air defense missiles for use in Ukraine
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3 hours ago, Huba said:
And the grain deal is back! There's A LOT of things for which Erdogan can be criticized, but his approach to dealing with Putin is perhaps the most effective from all the NATO leaders.
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TIL I learned you can do this:
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UKR is starting to get systems very comparable to Patriot. This system wins some and loses some compared to the Patriot. Also depending on the Patriot version
Max range 120km
"TLDR, The Franco-Italian system is a more mobile design which features a shorter-range missile that is geared for the interception of high-speed and highly-maneuverable targets. The American Patriot is a less-mobile system that has much greater emphasis on theater missile defense than its European counterpart. Its missile is larger, has a much more capable seeker, but isn’t quite as maneuverable. Due to the size of the PAC-2 missile, the American battery has a smaller capacity that is ready to be fired from get-go compared to the SAMP/T (32 PAC-2 vs. up to 48 for SAMP/T)."
Link to a good comparison to Patrioit https://qr.ae/pvqka3
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Site that visualizes the Oryx visually confirmed losses data. With constant updates: https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine
some interesting examples:
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5 hours ago, dan/california said:
This requires immediate in game testing.
Let me introduce you to French tank platoon (in armored formations):
https://youtu.be/aKEBYcDj8Tw
EDIT: and the company:
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Ukr released footage of a presumed suicide sea drone hitting the new Black sea navy flagship in the side. Also a minesweeper
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Properly a sweet time to add ATACMS to the play. Logistics have just adapted to HIMARS.
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3 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:
I can't think of any other reason for it. I mean, it's definitely not going to keep those pesky Swedes out!
This is an interesting thing that I've not seen our humble thread discuss until now. Nobody has yet discussed what this means for Russia's neighbors in terms of refugees. We're already seeing the tip of that iceberg with the several hundred thousand Russians who have fled since the start of the war in Ukraine. And things are going to get much worse. Even if Russia doesn't collapse into civil war (which is quite possible), the economic and social problems within Russia are going to be extremely unpleasant. A return to the 1990s level of violence and downward spiral is pretty certain I should think. So how many Russians are going to try fleeing to the West? Hundreds of thousands? Probable. Low millions? If things get as bad as they headed, it's not out of the realm of possibilites.
Tying into the discussion a few pages ago about Russians who have fled for various reasons, many don't leave behind their bad habits and loyalty to the state they fled.
Yesh, no wonder Finland apparently found political consensus that they need better border protection.
Steve
Here are some articles on the matter how Finland prepared for the Soviet unions collapse (and possible civil war ext.):
translated links:
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little more of the Ukrainian very cost efficient and fast modernizations:
For sure not as effective or easy to use as full integrated modernization but must be cheap, easy and fast to make.
How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?
in Combat Mission Black Sea
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RU infantry crossing with "the pontoon contraption"