Michael Withstand

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I have 8600GT and CMSF crawls on Allah fist and the overall fps is not great. However with the same machine I can run Medieval 2 or SteelBeast Pro astonishingly at relatively high performance. And today I found out why. I decided to give my old time favorite game IL-2 Forgotten Battle a try after reading a book on the topic. Then I realise that there's a stark difference between using OpenGL or DirectX setting to play the game. Forgotten Battle allows the player to choose between OpenGL or DirectX rendering. As you may have figured out by now with DirectX my fps in game shoot up really fast to even the ranges of 100s sometimes. But with OpenGL I have the same performance with my old 9600XT back then with 512 DDR1 RAM. The fps was as low as 25s on the ground. Compared to using DirectX this is very low as with DirectX the fps would go as far as 60s. So my guess is that the newer Nvidia graphics card that is the 8xxx series is really not meant to play games based on OpenGL. Now that this is revealed the only solution to increase the fps CONSIDERABLY is to switch to DirectX instead of OpenGL..which is unlikely considering that CMSF is a finished product.

Hi Mishga, no I don't suffer from a black screen of death though I have performance issue with the larger maps. And I'm not too happy with CMSF performance with shadows turned on. I'm using 162.18 driver and set my graphics setting slider to performance. Hope this helps with your husband problem.

Glad u like it Steiner . Do you have the most recent driver? I play with 8600GT and my setting is balanced/balanced. CMSF has some performance issue especially with the largest maps. In Allah's fist the fps crawls to 8.

All my units not just the Abrams miss their target a lot.

Plus a lucky hit on the gun barrel would pretty much render the M1 combat ineffective.

A level hit at the top slope of the hull front is not likely to kill an M1 I think especially not from APDS round I think(if that part is ceramic protected the same goes to HEAT rounds). The sloping of the hull's top is so extreme. But you might be correct about the driver hatch. Though it won't likely kill the M1, the driver would probably be incapacitated.

Cpl Steiner try turning off(or on) extension limit.

Once the performance issue has been settled especially in the larger maps you would get a very entertaining game. As MikeyD wrote, it should outlast most of the mindless shooter games. That is if you prefer realism than cosmetics such as beautiful graphics. Not that Shock force has a lousy graphics but it could be improved. Try the demo but mind you that the performance issue doesn't exist in the demo but it's there in the release build.

Oh yea just noticed the words too. If you can, hire Barney the dinosaur to melt any Battlefron't assassin coming yourway...a huge hug usually suffice.

Be patient young Padawan. Battlefront is top notch in its patch support. They are doing everything they can right now. I've always admired their CM series. But I have to admit that their shock force might need a little further compatibility testing. But it's a gem though an unpolished one due to some performance issues. Once this resolved it would shine.

Is it that difficult? Must download 1.03 then

You know a lucky hit to either the M1 turret ring or lower front hull would kill the tank I think. But the 100mm gun of the T55 would not do much harm to M1 especially at the front. Yes frontally M1 has amazing protection(thx to DU) but it also has a few weak spots even in the front side.

If you want balance you got the wrong game pal What do you expect in a US Vs Syrian conflict themed wargame. It's like Roman empire fighting the Jewish Kingdom in biblical time. Want balance how bout NATO Vs Warsaw pact? Nato forces being outnumbered at least 3 to 1 and it's a balanced game. That was the case in cold war.

A side/rear turret hit by a T72 will certainly kill the M1. . M1 with DU armor is excellent at withstanding hits from the frontal side(front turret, upper hull) only.

A T72 can easily knock out(penetrate) an M1 from the sides or the rear even the front that is at the lower hull of the front. On one to one basis obviously the M1 has got the advantage by far but the Russian(Soviets) never intended the T72 to fight on one to one basis. That's why they designed for a much cheaper tank than the US(a T72 costs only a third of M1). Their intention was to attack their enemy(US and allies-NATO) with much superior overwhelming numbers. So a T72 or any other Soviet tanks was never meant to fight an M1(or any other US tanks) on one to one basis while the US opted for superior tank and superior training to counter the threat of the Soviet tanks. There was a case with a Challenger 2 (British most armored tank) in Iraq which was penetrated by an RPG from the front(RPG-29 hit the lower hull of the front side). The driver lost his leg and his comrades were wounded. Mind you that not only it is the most armored tank fielded by the British(most likely it is one of the most armored tank in the world) but it was protected by the newest type of Chobham(RHA armor-US) armor(as every Challenger 2 participating in Iraq does). Look at the Lebanon war. The Israeli underestimated their opponent resolve and weaponry and overestimated their tanks capabilities and they had a bitter disappointment over their tanks after the 2nd Lebanon war. In short don't think any tank is so superiorly protected that it is invincible. They are only man-made. Tank technology has always been in a head-to-head competition with anti armor technology(ever heard A-10? ICM munitions, tank destroyer, ATGM, HEAT munitions). Sometimes temporarily the tanks are winning the race but only for a time then the anti-armor tech catches-up with the tank technologies. For a tank to remain effective it must be at least a step ahead than the anti-armor technologies. Tanks are just one of men creation and the same men have also created the counter-weapons for them which are just as effective. Now you know why there's no longer active Battleships in any Navy. Mind you for a time they seemed invincible and was a sound and effective weapon-platform. Now they are gone, eclipsed by the superior modern weapon technologies(modern torpedoes and sensors, nuclear-tipped SSM missiles) and other weapon platforms( for example nuclear submarines, most importantly aircraft carriers ). Just my 2 cents. [ August 08, 2007, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Michael Withstand ]

Like I said big patches is not an option for me. Unless Battlefront release new updated retail dvd/cd. As for why I gave up on patching SHIV. Man there are so many things broken I knew that even patches won't help much. They didn't care on releasing a quality working title so why would they care on making big patches? They didn't put in the effort in development/testing why would they bother so much in after release work? They even at first very reluctant to work on further patches after just 2(TWO) patches. Wtf? I know BF has got the reputation on excellent support and most likely not abandon their software mid-way but I'm just fed up with poor quality PC games due to rush/poor testing.

I am a fan of the classic CM series and have been thinking to get this game but there are obviously some problems/issues with the game. I have had extreme disappointment on new games such as Silent Hunter IV(gave up on patching altogether). I would rather spend two-three times the amount to get a quality game such as Steel Beasts Pro PE. Though no software(game) is perfect but Steel Beasts Pro PE is what I consider the best of its kind with excellent support from the developer company(upadtes are still going out even after years). As I hate to burn my cash for something that is just not worthwhile so let me ask you the players should I buy this game? Mind you that I don't have broadband connection so big patches is not an option for me. Thanks.

what now CM:SF doesn't have detailed armor hit information? It was one of the things which i loved most from CM series... If i had wanted an arcade i would have bought XBOX or other game console.

what now CM:SF doesn't have detailed armor hit information? It was one of the things which i loved most from CM series... If i had wanted an arcade i would have bought XBOX or other game console.

what now CM:SF doesn't have detailed armor hit information? It was one of the things which i loved most from CM series... If i had wanted an arcade i would have bought XBOX or other game console.

Try this www.esimgames.com I think this one is a real wargame though it comes at a price. Further info www.steelbeasts.com I've noticed that some PC game developers lately have ommisioned testing from their development cycle most noticibly in Silent Hunter IV. Bad decision I must say as I believe most PC gamers are the sophisticated type. can't comment on Shock Force as I don't have it now.

I have only a sister which hardly interested in any computer games. So no hotseat for me. My friends don't play Combat Mission too. Not that I have that many..hehehe. I'd love to try a multiplayer game sometimes.

I have three of em. I keep installing, uninstalling then reinstalling them. Each time finding the game as much enjoyable as my first time experience. It's the most realistic wargame ever to grace the whole universe. There i said it. Now i'll shut up.

Oh well......thx for replying i never tought of the searching function. Besides Israel is the dominant force in the region i thought it would be logical....