mocdra

I have noticed that orders will not executed properly is equal tound bases or real time Units get orders an then stod still a long time.. the staus shows Spotting allthe time I habe played the first part an had not such issues in the last game Is there a way to force to execute orders? A kinf of connsole commands? its a pitywhen there the units standing and standing and do nothing

Generally the East built 115 or 125 mm Sabots are less effective as West Guns. Less Accuracy,Range and Armor Penetration Values. The Rheinmetall 120 mm Gun of the Leopard 2 and the M1 has a Muzzle Vel. of 1600 m/s and a effective Range of 3500 m. Some Hits of m1a1 penetrates 2!T72 staying side by side behind a Sand Wall at once In my Opinion East AP Shells (APFSDS Rounds an HEAT Rounds) are not able to penetrate the Frontal Turret Armor of the most Western Tanks The Front Armor of the M1a2 is very massive. 900mm sightable thickness. In the frontal Armor is included a heavy DU Plate then 2 Layers of Chobham Armor and a kind of Bulkhead Armor( Like the Triangular Sections on the Leo2a6). All that is mantlet by heavy reinforced armor. In the Inside is in the Crew Compartement a Spall Liner. The Frontal Armor is able to withstand several Hits of the older Russian AP Rounds (up to t80 guns). The inverted T below the Abrams main gun and in the vicinity of the driver's hatch should be vulnerable to a well placed APFSDS. At least the Russians say this is vulnerable. Is the inverted T modeled in the game? I believe that it is modeled, but the most Shells hits the Front Turret Frames and not the Hull . Somtimes a Hit gets in the Gun Mantlet causing a Gun Jam but not more. Some Front Arc Hits downhull causing Immobilitys due Track Hits. Driver Hatch Hits or Upper Hull Hits are not occured in my Missions or not implementet in the Armor Model i think. Greetings Moc [ August 14, 2007, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: mocdra ]

No one has sayed invulnerable. The weak Spots are the Turret and Hull Roofs. The Hull Sides, then the Turret Rear and aft Turret Section ( Ammo Bunker) Then the Shot Trap between upper Hull and lower Turret. a T72 can abolutely destroy a M1 but only from the Rearsides or at the Hull Flanks(not Turret Flanks)or a lucky Hit between Turret and Hull or on the Gun Mantlet. Its very difficult from the Distance to Kill a M1 from the Front .. !! At close Range (under 200 m ) is this easier because the vulnerable Spots are get easily targetet The Best way to destroy a such Tank is to use a large Air to Ground Missile as the AGM65 series. Then the M1 is a big Puzzle with its Pieces sprayed over a large Area.. ! Greetings Moc

Do you mean the Damaging of the whole Armor Structure from the several Hits? It is Realistic? In wwII many Tiger Tanks took multiple Hits ( from 6 to 32) at the Frontal Turret and Hull Armor from t34 Tanks wothout any Penetration or Damage. The Same was this with the Front Armor of the King Tiger and Hunting Tiger. Somtimes the Rounds simply deflectet completely by the front Plate at distances of 150 m. Ther are have in all Kind no Armor Structure Damage occured !. This seems to be West Propaganda andd a nearly Fake, to let known a potential Enemy that the M1 is weaker as in Reality ! The Big Shot Trap is me well known.. This is One of the Achilles Points of the M1. Sounds true... Enemy gunners will uses TOP ATTACK ATGMs or taregting the Hull Sides and upper sides, or optics and hatches. Rhen about the Informnations over Modern Armor .. Overall in the Armies ans Armoer Builders was cooked with water but not more. Greetings moc

The Rear is true but it is on every Tank right.. The Turret and Hull Rear of the M1 is one of the Achilles Points next to the Hull Flanks,the Turret Roof and the Notch beetween Hull and Turret. and Upper Hull.. Not right Lower Hull Yes there is it true... The Armor Plate where the Driver has its Hatch is relatively thin .Thinner as at the Challenger 2 and Leopard 2, but the Target area at the M1 have a small hitable Arc from the Front Then i repeat it now again.. Side Turret Armor is Chobhamn of the newest Gen and 35- 45 cm thick ( 20 cm or less by the Leopard 2 and Challenger 2). The Turret Side Armor is at the back Section ( where the Ammunition is stowed) thin. Here it has 2 Inch or less.. The Ammu Bunker must broke when a Ammunition Explusion occures. The Crew room has much more Side Armor !. In the Iraq War some T72 hits M1 from the Turret Sides witout Penetration at 200 m Distance ! The Rounds gets deflectet or struck trough the Half of the Turret Side Armor( 20 cm) ! I search the Report and post it then here. and The Challenger 2 is worse armored (specally at the Turret Sides )as the M1. That is Fact. Shot woth a RGP 7 at the Turret Side and the Crew get a new Airhole!. This Tank has better Protection at the upper Front Hull but not more. The Challenger in Use in Urban warfare is the Hell for the Owner of these Tanks, because there are much more Tank Losses possible as by Use of an m1 or Merkava Tank. [ August 09, 2007, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: mocdra ]

I have earlier noticed that goes anything wrong with the Armor of the M1 Please note my Facts about the Armor of the m1 in the Game... Im am sure that a t72 never take out a M1 with a Hit at the Turret Flanks!.eventually at close in Range of 100m but not more In the first Campaign Mission i have took m1 knockouts coming from defending T55 at 250m from 60 Degrees at the Left Side. The Shells hit the Turret Side Armor.. That is really NOT realistic. The Gun of the t55 has as much lower Muzzle Velocity and older Ammunition than a modern faster Smooth Bore Gun. here the link to the Topic in this Forum about the armor discuss. http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=002204 Greetings Moc [ August 08, 2007, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: mocdra ]

Now i have the full German Version of these Game now In the German Version of the Game is a Big Bug. In the Quick Battle Menu at the Settings Screen, i set Battle Size Middle. Then US Force against Repuplican Guard ba the Forces on the Us Side i set mixed and then to the next i set Armor. Now hit the bext Button and change my Side game type etc.. Then the Game loads. Often comes here a CTD at 67% of Loading . When no CTD occures then Blue have no units on the Map ?!! but the Game runs normally as there are Units on the Map for the Blue. The Game Engine did not notized, that are no Units on the opposing Blue Side. Red have Units on every try. When i select Heavy Infantry then there are Units on the Map but only Bradleys and Infantry. How i get Battletanks without the Unit not Existing on Map Prob or CDTs Whats is wrong? Greetings Moc

Yes that is the Main Design for the Western Tanks but some Tanks have thicker Turret Side Armor. There are the Leclerc the Merkava the korean Type-88 and the M1 Leopard 2(All series),Ariete, Challenger 1 and 2 have the typical smaller Turret Side Armor. The last Tanks have a Problem in Combat whan the Turret Pos is nearly 90 degrees to the Move Direction. A opposing Tank Plattoon or Force , that do attack from the front shots first at the Tanks thier facing Turretflanks in the Enemy direction . In a Stabdard Tank Formation One Tank hat the Turret forward One Turret to the Left One to the Right and one afterly. At a First Detection and First Shotfrom the Enemy these Tanks with the thiner Turret Side Armor gou earlier a Prob as other Tanks. In my opinion.. the M1 was designed for such Events to prevent a Knockout due Turret Side Hits. Greetings Moc

Yes that is the Main Design for the Western Tanks but some Tanks have thicker Turret Side Armor. There are the Leclerc the Merkava the korean Type-88 and the M1 Leopard 2(All series),Ariete, Challenger 1 and 2 have the typical smaller Turret Side Armor. The last Tanks have a Problem in Combat whan the Turret Pos is nearly 90 degrees to the Move Direction. A opposing Tank Plattoon or Force , that do attack from the front shots first at the Tanks thier facing Turretflanks in the Enemy direction . In a Stabdard Tank Formation One Tank hat the Turret forward One Turret to the Left One to the Right and one afterly. At a First Detection and First Shotfrom the Enemy these Tanks with the thiner Turret Side Armor gou earlier a Prob as other Tanks. In my opinion.. the M1 was designed for such Events to prevent a Knockout due Turret Side Hits. Greetings Moc

Yes that is the Main Design for the Western Tanks but some Tanks have thicker Turret Side Armor. There are the Leclerc the Merkava the korean Type-88 and the M1 Leopard 2(All series),Ariete, Challenger 1 and 2 have the typical smaller Turret Side Armor. The last Tanks have a Problem in Combat whan the Turret Pos is nearly 90 degrees to the Move Direction. A opposing Tank Plattoon or Force , that do attack from the front shots first at the Tanks thier facing Turretflanks in the Enemy direction . In a Stabdard Tank Formation One Tank hat the Turret forward One Turret to the Left One to the Right and one afterly. At a First Detection and First Shotfrom the Enemy these Tanks with the thiner Turret Side Armor gou earlier a Prob as other Tanks. In my opinion.. the M1 was designed for such Events to prevent a Knockout due Turret Side Hits. Greetings Moc

The Thickness of the Side Armor is not correct... the Thickness is over one Feet (33 cm) thats are 12 Inch or more. The Frontal Thickness sounds true and matching my analysis. Heres a Link to a Atop Photo from a m1a2 http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2005/july/images/jul03_08/08_05.jpg Note the Distance between the Commanders mirror Ring and the Turret Flank. Thats the Armor Thickness ! Thats more than 8 Inches !. The Feet of the sitting Soldier has up to 33 cm. The Foot is shorter than the Distance between Ring and Hull ! By the German Leopard. There are the 8 Inches or less true at the Turret Do you need more Photos and Draawings of that? It is true that the Thickness is not the Factor for the Protction but is important after the Armortechnologie and Layout. What brings the Chobham Armor when it is only 4 inches thick??! To the Game: Yesterday i played the Demo a second one. One Abrams stands with ther Frontal Side against 2 T72 at 150 m Distance. The M1 have withstand 12 or more Direct Turret Hits!. Only the Left Track was damaged by a low Shot. 2 other 300 m distanced M1 moving in 90 ° tio the Enemy where knocked out by the first Hit. I dont know where the Hits going in.. Hull or Turret. a Side Hull Shot , that is logical then the Tank is knocked out.. by a Turret Hit ?? i am not sure and i believe no every Shot penetrates the Turret Side in Reality.. Greetings Moc

The Thickness of the Side Armor is not correct... the Thickness is over one Feet (33 cm) thats are 12 Inch or more. The Frontal Thickness sounds true and matching my analysis. Heres a Link to a Atop Photo from a m1a2 http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2005/july/images/jul03_08/08_05.jpg Note the Distance between the Commanders mirror Ring and the Turret Flank. Thats the Armor Thickness ! Thats more than 8 Inches !. The Feet of the sitting Soldier has up to 33 cm. The Foot is shorter than the Distance between Ring and Hull ! By the German Leopard. There are the 8 Inches or less true at the Turret Do you need more Photos and Draawings of that? It is true that the Thickness is not the Factor for the Protction but is important after the Armortechnologie and Layout. What brings the Chobham Armor when it is only 4 inches thick??! To the Game: Yesterday i played the Demo a second one. One Abrams stands with ther Frontal Side against 2 T72 at 150 m Distance. The M1 have withstand 12 or more Direct Turret Hits!. Only the Left Track was damaged by a low Shot. 2 other 300 m distanced M1 moving in 90 ° tio the Enemy where knocked out by the first Hit. I dont know where the Hits going in.. Hull or Turret. a Side Hull Shot , that is logical then the Tank is knocked out.. by a Turret Hit ?? i am not sure and i believe no every Shot penetrates the Turret Side in Reality.. Greetings Moc

The Thickness of the Side Armor is not correct... the Thickness is over one Feet (33 cm) thats are 12 Inch or more. The Frontal Thickness sounds true and matching my analysis. Heres a Link to a Atop Photo from a m1a2 http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2005/july/images/jul03_08/08_05.jpg Note the Distance between the Commanders mirror Ring and the Turret Flank. Thats the Armor Thickness ! Thats more than 8 Inches !. The Feet of the sitting Soldier has up to 33 cm. The Foot is shorter than the Distance between Ring and Hull ! By the German Leopard. There are the 8 Inches or less true at the Turret Do you need more Photos and Draawings of that? It is true that the Thickness is not the Factor for the Protction but is important after the Armortechnologie and Layout. What brings the Chobham Armor when it is only 4 inches thick??! To the Game: Yesterday i played the Demo a second one. One Abrams stands with ther Frontal Side against 2 T72 at 150 m Distance. The M1 have withstand 12 or more Direct Turret Hits!. Only the Left Track was damaged by a low Shot. 2 other 300 m distanced M1 moving in 90 ° tio the Enemy where knocked out by the first Hit. I dont know where the Hits going in.. Hull or Turret. a Side Hull Shot , that is logical then the Tank is knocked out.. by a Turret Hit ?? i am not sure and i believe no every Shot penetrates the Turret Side in Reality.. Greetings Moc

Thats right. A homogenous thick Steel Plate of 700 or 900mm is very useless aginst a Heat Rounds of any Kind. Only the Composition of different Armor Materials that destroys an divert the Heat Jet or diffuse it, bevore the Jet can affect the Main Armor Plate ( Slat Armor, Reactive Armor, Multiple Layer Armor, Spaced Armor etc) is effective against these Munitions. The Leopard 2a6 has Spaced and Multiple Layer Armor in additional triangular Modules at the Chobham armred Turret Front that protects from Shaped Charge or Heat Warheads. The Russians have somtimes very heavy Combinations f Reactive Armor, Spaced and Muliple Layer Armor and Composite Armor at one Turret Front !. No Nato Tank has a similar massive comosition og Armor Technics at once First the Armor Modukes with ERA m Sopaced and Muktiple Laysr Armor.. then the Main Composite Turret Armor !. Link to this impressive Thing... http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/armor.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/1/armor_world/armor_world2.htm then a next interesting Thing is there. The Russians habe found a ballistic Hole in the Abrams Frontal Zone.. The Gun Mounting and the upper Hull Plate where the Drivers Hatch is located. http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90vsabrams.htm The Same for the Leopard http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/bars_leopard/80u_vs_leo2.htm Greetings Moc

Thats right. A homogenous thick Steel Plate of 700 or 900mm is very useless aginst a Heat Rounds of any Kind. Only the Composition of different Armor Materials that destroys an divert the Heat Jet or diffuse it, bevore the Jet can affect the Main Armor Plate ( Slat Armor, Reactive Armor, Multiple Layer Armor, Spaced Armor etc) is effective against these Munitions. The Leopard 2a6 has Spaced and Multiple Layer Armor in additional triangular Modules at the Chobham armred Turret Front that protects from Shaped Charge or Heat Warheads. The Russians have somtimes very heavy Combinations f Reactive Armor, Spaced and Muliple Layer Armor and Composite Armor at one Turret Front !. No Nato Tank has a similar massive comosition og Armor Technics at once First the Armor Modukes with ERA m Sopaced and Muktiple Laysr Armor.. then the Main Composite Turret Armor !. Link to this impressive Thing... http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/armor.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/1/armor_world/armor_world2.htm then a next interesting Thing is there. The Russians habe found a ballistic Hole in the Abrams Frontal Zone.. The Gun Mounting and the upper Hull Plate where the Drivers Hatch is located. http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90vsabrams.htm The Same for the Leopard http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/bars_leopard/80u_vs_leo2.htm Greetings Moc