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ahh Close Combat, the game that got me into this game...i miss it, but the flat birds eye view grfx are just way to ****ty for my liking now. If CC3 had the 3d power of CMBB it would be THE ultimate game, plus i liked the AI and modeling in it better anyway...

wow i can't belive someone who plays this game and posts on the forum even HAS a girlfriend, let alone someone who plays the game , posts on the forum AND makes mods...congrats.

I'm more of an early war fan, but I'm not a really good CMBB player i just waste time with it really, its fun. i'm also one of those weirdos that likes romanians and the huns. yeah it would be cool if there was a way to recreate a K-G type conflict in CMBB...as i briefly mentioned earlier i attempted to recreate somewhat of a Spanish Civil war battle, it almost works, as long as its a scenario where the Republicans are fighting Italians...you take Sov partisans and tanks as Republicans and the italians as , well italians. The Italian gear probably doesnt match 100% but close enough...

That Japanese site is cool, thanks junk2drive!

well theres a whole scan of Jap tank drawings in this book but it doesnt really give deep details. Maybe I'll scan that sucker and post it. The art is good. Here are some scans from the site i mentioned earlier it has some cool art from the K-G book and other similar Russian military series books/magazines - this has Enlgish subtitles. http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/uniform/uniform1.htm#Khalkhin_gol

Oh frontline illustartion? its not really a "book" but like a series of really fat magazines, each dedicated to one battle or op, the K-G one was published in 2002, with the help of some Japanese uy even I think. I don't think there are any English versions sadly. http://www.front2000.ru/ But the pictures are worth it alone, honestly. On a realted note : Throught the USSR reign, for some reason all info on K-G was extremely repressed and most publications on the subject are past 1992. I got this book and some other ones like it here in the US from this guy - sergei@idcomm.com he knows someone in the publishing house over in RU and has a deal with them or something , I think I paid him $15 for each book. [ June 09, 2005, 03:04 PM: Message edited by: Talk'scheap ]

Well as long as you acknowledge that the Sovs won fair and square and not becuase they rolled over the backwards Japanese swordsmen with their "magic tanks" then we're cool. Here is a cool little English PDF of K-G http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/battles/khalkhin_gol/Khalkhin_cut1.pdf Here are some stats on Sov losses: http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/battles/khalkhin_gol/losses.htm All this data is post-USSR. Don't pay too much attention to the human losses since, literally EVERY source I saw lists differnet numbers, some varying drastically, but i think the armor losses could be in the neighborhood of being right. Here are some more English pages on K-G: http://www.orbit6.com/crisf/text/halh_gol.htm http://battle-of-halhin-gol.wikiverse.org/ Sadly, no clear cut reports like this exist for the Japanese side. My points remain - The Japs had plenty of AT firepower. They lost because they lost. End of story. Plus, c'mon dude youre giving BT's all these mad props? You play CMBB - BT's and T26's are some of THE crappiest tanks. Anyone armed with corkscrews could put them out of comission. The armor is paper thin, the commander is also the gunner, weak little gun, mediocre optics...it was a ****-tin can. The T26, esp with extra armor might have been a shade better. But i agree with the notion that the whole idea of the "cruiser" (i.e. the BT series) tank was flawed. Funny side note - I am actually reading one of those little Men At Arms books on the Spanish Civil War and it boasts how the T26 was schooling all other armor (esp Italian). Well I tried pitting some T26's agains crappy little Italian 20mm tanks and got beat BADLY, twice. But thats probably just cuz I am crappy player and CMBB is not reality.

What makes me mad is these pseudo neo-nazis always seem to have cushy office jobs if they sit in front of a PC all day with enough free time to defecate on game and history forums...

so if it wasn't a technology victory how was it technologically one-sided? Plus why are you rofling just cuz i sited a russian source? i bet you're all down with all the crappy german books on uber tigers and ****. and this book was publihsed in 2002 so dont give me the "it was communist" garbage

I think you need to re-read BidDuke's point #1. Like 20 times until it sinks in, dude. Who cares if the Germans "didn't like it"? If we're all gonna be totally objective then - In 1939 what was Poland, was Poland. Doesn't matter whom which part belonged to when and under what degrees of satisfaction did the respective parties (germs and russ) signed these parts away prior to 39. (Tov and Brest-Litovsk)

I quickly looked in my Frontline Illustration issue on Halhin Gol- according to a trophies chart the Sovs captured 55 Type 94 37MM AT guns. The Japs had freakin' stuff, not to mention large caliber guns as well as tanks of their own. Ha-go's, Ko's and the like. There is a record here of even a 20mm "Automatic cannon" which looked like an AT rifle juding from the picture. One was captured, I didn't see any figures on how many they had - sadly lots of Jap figures are non-existent. I don't know if you're familiar with the Frontline Illustration series (its in Russian) but I guess according to them it was not technologically one sided. [ June 08, 2005, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Talk'scheap ]

big ups bigduke

i think you just like having fun watching divisions of little conscripts scream and yell and run away from Panzer I's and II's in droves. I also don't think that the japanese conflicts, at least what i've read about khalhin gol was technologically one sided (hell theres a whole book just on the air war) but this isnt a obsucre 30's wars forum...

I would disagree for Soviets - 1941 should be more veterans (civil war, finn war, asian war) and regulars, and actually go to more green in conscript in 1942. then shoot back up again.

"No understando? Just skim through that tread, it really helps!" yeah im a newb so what

Umm.....

"After a while the sounds annoy me too. The game I mean." The infantry sounds annoy me the moust, i hate all the crybabies! (i know its my orders but..ive had times when my entire army was crying like little girls with skinned knees but i get a major victory at the end anyway) i wish you could turn the voices off but keep the guns and explosions - wich actually help determine things.

I like the people who think the USSR was an Axis power better....cuz they usually think axis=bad, usa=good, ussr=bad, so ussr must've been axis..stone logic

I recently had a conscript T34-1940 get 3 or 4 PzIII (I think maybe one PzIV too) kills and survive to the end intact. He was part of a conspcript platoon of 4, 2 of his comrades went down pretty quick but him and his Lt. took out most of the enemy armor, the Lt. being knocked out shortly before the battle's end. Good hull down positions for both of them is what did it I belive. I think I got a minor victory as the outcome. I think the scenario was "Directive #3" [ May 01, 2005, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: Talk'scheap ]

oh wow its the dead zone girl? (i remembe the dead zone from a class!) man this woman is something else!

"Who was doing the farming? Nobody. Agricultural output collapsed by 40%. The Russian army ran on LL food." -women-farmers, using horse-drawn plows, thats who.

"Germany - the most educated country on the planet at the time" - Really? I've never heard this stated anywhere else. Where did you read/hear this and what is this based on? The average citizen finishing some kind of "gymnasium" ? Most college educated people in the world? Highest literacy rate? Highly doubt it. I'd say the average "soldat" was no better educated then any other soldier anywhere else. I would really attribute the supposed apsense of "professionals" or highly trained individuals or what-not to the purges more so then the Soviet educational system (which boomed in the 1920's with colleges and universities being filled with flocking country-folk and others who did not have the chance to go there in the past) or lack of opportunity. I'd even go as far to say that there was more oppurtunity to attend a FREE University in Soviet Russia then there was for a peasant in Germany - where I assume education cost money. Was an averge german worker more educated (as in more years of schooling had) then a Soviet one? Possibly, but only because the USSR had a much bigger population. I'd say if you comapred Moscow (esp. pre-1937) and Berlin, it would be about the same (education wise). [ March 11, 2005, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: Talk'scheap ]

"Half the population was engaged in agriculture. Large portions of it could not read. An educated specialist in the west means a man with a university education and years of formal military schooling. An educated specialist, anywhere but the peaks of command or economic control or political bodies, in Russia in 1941, meant somebody who had graduated from high school and had a couple of years on the job training. The average educational standard was more like "finished 8th grade and can read". - I don't know, the Soviet State made education, well at least literacy, for those unable to go onto higher eduaction, if anything, a rather high priority from after the end of the civil war on. I think by the late 1920's or 1930's something like 70%++ of the peasant (or previously illiterate) population was literate - this drive to education was hand in hand with the rapid-industrialization. I remember learning all of this in class at college but I forget the actual figures.

the standard Soviet 76,2mm AP round rarely penetrates the Tiger's hide from any angle. -- a little off topic. i lack general military knowdledge so, why do US Wolverine's 76mm gun can kill a tiger at any angle but you say the t34's 76mm cant? just because 2 guns are the same caliber doesnt really make then "the same" ?