Iron Chef Sakai

Can i get a link to that King Tiger?

Characteristics of the T34. The T-34 is faster, more maneuverable, has better cross-country mobility than the Pz.Kpfw.lll and IV. Its armor is stronger. The penetrating ability of its 7.62 cm cannon is superior to our 5 cm KwK. and the 7.5 cm KwK40. The favorable form of sloping all of the armor plates aids in causing the shells to skid off. Combating the T-34 with the 5 cm KwK tank gun is possible only at short ranges from the flank or rear, where it is important to achieve a hit as perpendicular to the surface as possible. Hits on the turret ring, even with high-explosive shells or machine gun bullets, usually result in jamming the turret. In addition, armor-piercing shells fired at close range that hit the gun mantle result in penetrations and breaking open the weld seams. The T-34 can be penetrated at ranges up to 1000 metres with the 7.5 cm PaK 40 as well as the 7.5 cm Hohlgranate (hollow-charge shells) Russian Tank Tactics. In defense and covering a retreat, the T-34 with the turret at six o'clock is often dug in on a commanding height along a road or on the edge of woods or villages. Then after surprisingly opening fire from ambush, the T-34 can be driven out of the concealed position still under cover. In correctly recognizing his technical superiority in weapons, the T-34 already opens fire on German Panzers at ranges from 1200 to 1800 metres. Because the T-34 is faster than the German Panzers, he can choose the range for a firefight. Panzer Tactics. Because the 5 cm KwK can only be expected to penetrate the flanks of the T34 at short range, the following tactics have proven been to be correct in combating them: a. Attract and tie down the opponent frontally by having a Pz.Kpfw.III take up the firefight. Choose a hull down position or drive in a zig-zag course to make it difficult for the opponent to hit the target. b. At the same time, utilizing all available cover, two other Pz.Kpfw.llls attempt to circumvent the T34 to the right or left in order to gain a position in the flank or in the rear and knock him out at short range with PzGr40 fired at the hull or rear. c. If a Pz.Kpfw.lV is available among our own Panzers, it is to be employed in front of the opponent. The use of Nebelgranaten (smoke shells) can blind the T-34 or aid the other Panzers in closing in. It is also possible that the opponent will think that the smoke is poison gas and break off the action. When encountering numerically superior enemy tanks (T-34 and KV), success has always resulted when the Panzer unit builds a fire front and overwhelms the enemy with fire. Even when no penetrations can be achieved, the enemy, impressed by the accuracy and rate of fire of the German Panzers, almost always breaks off the action.

Makes sense to me.

What goes well for a Russian, is deadly for a German the Russian proverb On August 10th, 1944, after crossing the Vistula river, elements of the 1st Ukrainian Front broke the enemy defense lines South-east of the Polish town of Sandomierz, and after throw back parts of 4th Tank Army, significantly expanded their bridgehead. In an attempt to retake the lost territory on the west side of the Vistula river, the Germans immediately transferred five divisions (including one panzer division), from the Army Group "South Ukraine," five infantry divisions from Germany, three infantry divisions from Hungary, and six brigades of assault guns to the Sandomierz area. Preparing for the German counterattack, the Soviet High Command decided to regroup its troops. Preparations for defense started with laying large minefields. On August 11th, units of the 6th Guards Tank Corps (GTC) of the 3rd Guards Tank Army (GTA), took defensive positions on the outskirts of the towns of Szyldów and Ogledów which were taken earlier that day. The bridgehead at that time resembled an irregular semicircle abutted against the Vistula River,in the centre, while the 52nd Guards Tank Brigade (GTBr) closed the left flank. Sandy soil made it difficult to dig the tanks in to their full height because the sides of the trenches kept collapsing. The same sandy soil caused problems for the Germans as well. Many times Soviet troops observed Panthers swerving in the sand, and while their drivers struggled to control their vehicles, they exposed their thinner side armor to the Soviet guns. During the skirmishes near Szyldów and Ogledów, this led to severe losses of Panthers (on August 11th, 1944 alone, the 53rd GTBr destroyed eight German tanks).On August 12th, the commander of the 53rd GTBr, Colonel V. S. Arkhipov, with his Chief of Staff, C. I. Kirilkin, came to the conclusion that the Germans would not continue their direct attack across the open sandy fields, and that they would try to outflank the brigade. They therefore reinforced their force's flanks. The area facing Major A. G. Korobov's 2nd Tank Battalion (TBn) was open. On the right flank, where the T-34 tanks of Captain I. M. Mazurin's 3rd TBn formed the defense line, there was a deep and wide valley with a dirt road leading from Ogledów village to the town of Staszów, and to the Soviet rear. Behind the valley, there were wetlands defended by the 294th Rifle Regiment of the 97th Rifle Division The dirt road provided good access to the Soviet positions, and drew the Germans' attention. To prevent the enemy from using this passage, the Soviet brigade commander decided to set up an ambush from an unnamed hill with two T-34 tanks from the 3rd TBn under command of deputy battalion commander Guards Captain P. T. Ivushkin. The battalion's remaining tanks were at the main defensive positions one-kilometre from Ogledów. The initial speculations about the German plan were confirmed by reconnaissance reports. Three reconnaissance units with tanks and motorcycles were sent to patrol the expected routes of enemy movement. Reconnaissance Report #53, issued at 7:00 p.m. on August 13th, 1944, issued by the staff of the 6th GTC stated During the night of August the 12th and 13th, a Feldwebel from the 1st Company of the 501st Independent Heavy Tank Battalion (IHTB) of the High Command Reserves (HCR) was taken PoW in the area west of Szyldów, and a private from the 10th Company of the 79th Motorised Regiment of the 16th Panzer Division in the area of Poniki was also captured. The Feldwebel stated that at the Koniecpol railway station, after the 501st IHTB had moved out, an unknown tank division began to disembark. The 501st IHTB consisted of three tank companies and a supply company. The battalion arrived with forty tanks on strength, and consisted of twenty Panthers and twenty Panzer IV's. About thirty tanks reached Chmielnik, the remaining tanks had suffered malfunctions and required repairs." The arrival of the 501st sPzAbt under the command of Major von Legat was significant. In July and August 1944, the battalion was reorganised at Ohrdruf training centre, and was equipped with King Tiger tanks, preemptively called "super-tanks." Though of low reliability even for a new tank (the work on the tank had started in 1943, but was not fully completed) the battalion left for the Eastern Front on August 5th without its full complement. Fourteen tanks with various problems were transferred to the 1st Company, which remained in the Training Centre. On August 9th, the battalion arrived in Poland, and disembarked at Koniecpol railway station near Kielce. According to the PoWs, half of the tanks were Panthers, and the remaining were Panzer IV's. It was later revealed that the PoWs' story about the Panthers was not true. Probably they tried to conceal the arrival of a secret weapon to the front. The "Panthers" were actually new King Tiger tanks. Ten of the King Tigers broke-down during the short three-kilometre march from the disembarkation point to the headquarters of the 16th TD near Chmielnik. On August 11th, after losing two days to repairs and re-supply, the battalion moved two kilometres further and reached Szyldów. Breakdowns continued, and at the end of the day, only eleven of the twenty King Tigers were intact and ready to commence the attack on Staszów. It is worth mentioning that the Russian 6th GTC did not have significant numerical superiority. Ready for the German assault were nine T-34-76's from the 53rd GTBr, and nine T-34-76's and ten T-34-85's from the 52nd GTBr. The 51st GTBr, positioned to the north, had eleven T-34-76's and four T-34-85's. At Staszów there were eleven IS-2 heavy tanks, and one IS-85 heavy tank from the 71st Independent Guards Heavy Tank Regiment At midnight on August 13th, a growing noise of tank engines was heard coming from the German side. Before dawn, the commander of the 53rd GTBn returned from the headquarters to his tank, which was employed as an observation post between the tanks of the 1st Tank Battalion, which were hidden between low sand dunes. In the front and on the right side of the Soviet positions, there was a valley with a road to Staszów. On the left hand side, there was a field with stacks of hay, where Ivushkin's tanks were camouflaged. Near the entry of the valley stood Lieutenant A. P. Oskin's "thirty-four" (T-34). A. Stetzenko was the driver, A. Merkhaidarov was the gunner, A. Grushin was the radio operator, and A. Khalychev was the loader. Colonel Arkhipov and Ivushkin hid the tank in the haystacks, and ordered Oskin to hold his fire until given a special order. The next morning was covered in mist, which obstructed the view. From the observation point of the 53rd GTBr commander, neither the village of Ogledów, nor the valley, nor the tanks hidden in the haystacks were visible. The morning silence was broken by a growing hum of tank engines, and soon the incoming noise of tanks' tracks was heard. From the sky, one could hear Junkers planes approaching Staszów. German artillery began to fire. The rounds passed high above the brigade's forward line. Enemy reconnaissance neither located the brigade's front line, nor spotted the ambush positions. On August 13th, at 07:00 a.m. under the cover of the mist, the Germans started to advance on the unnamed hill with eleven King Tigers and a few armored personnel carriers with infantry. Ivushkin's voice was heard on the radio: "The tanks are gone. I can't see them, but I can hear them. They are moving through the valley." This is how the commander of the 53rd GTBr described the battle: "An enormous tank crawled from within the valley. It was jerkily climbing up and swerving on the sand. From the left flank, Major Korobov exclaimed on the radio: - They're coming! I replied: - Be patient! Open fire from 400 metres only! Behind the first tank, the second beast came from the valley, and soon the third tank appeared. The first had already passed Ivyshkin's ambush position. - Fire? - he asked. - Fire! I saw a part of the haystack over Oskin's tank move, and the gun barrel appeared. It fired, and then again and again: Oskin had commenced the battle. Through my binoculars, I could see black holes in the sides of the German tanks. At first I saw only smoke, but then I saw flames. The third tank turned to Oskin, but it was immobilized after it received a hit in its tracks, and then it was hit again for good. I called the code signal "307 - 305" on the radio. At that moment, German Howitzers began firing, and soon the air in the valley up to Ogledów was filled with smoke and dust." Junkers bombers and Messerschmitt fighters appeared in the sky at the same time that Soviet fighters arrived. An air battle began." During the day (August 13th), Korobov's 2nd TBn fought German tanks west of Hill 247.9. At the end of the day, the 53rd Brigade took southward defensive positions 300 metres east of Ogledów, in readiness to move towards Szyldów. At ten o'clock in the evening, two tanks from the 3rd TBn, supported by the company of the mechanised infantry, assaulted the village, and by eight o'clock in the morning, they succeeded in clearing it of the enemy. The 3rd TBn then took defensive positions on the edge of the village. German tanks, which had been withdrawn after earlier attacks, were captured in this village. It was then that it was discovered that the burning tanks in the morning battle were not Panthers. However, there was not enough time to identify the tanks, and the first reports stated that there were three Panthers captured. The 2nd TBn, the 2nd Tank Company of the 71st IGHTR, and the 289th Rifle Regiment, began moving toward Zaraz at 09:00 a.m. King Tigers which were positioned west of Ogledów, blocked the attacking infantry with gunfire. A platoon of IS-2 tanks, led by Lieutenant Klimienkov, advanced and joined in the battle. Soon one of the German tanks was on fire, and another one was knocked out. The infantry, without opposition, then moved in to Ogledów, where tanks of the 3rd TBn were already eliminating the remaining Germans. Meanwhile, seven King Tigers attacked the Soviet positions from Hill 272.1. Waiting in an ambush near Mokre, Guards Lieutenant Udalov in his IS-2 tank (with number 98, and fitted with the D-25 cannon) let the German tanks to approach to a distance of 700-800 metres and started firing. After a few hits, the first tank was set on fire, and the second tank was knocked out. The German tanks shifted into reverse. Udalov drove towards the enemy and fired again from the edge of the forest. With one more tank burning, the Germans retreated. Soon, the King Tigers attacked again, this time towards Poniki, where Guards Lieutenant Beliakov's IS-2 was set up in an ambush position. He commenced fire at a distance of 1000 metres, and after the third round, had set fire to an enemy tank. The Germans realized the grave situation, and retreated again. During the three days of continuous fighting on August 11th, 12th, and 13th, 1944, in the Staszów and Szyldów area the 6th GTC destroyed and captured 24 enemy tanks, thirteen of which were the newly introduced King Tigers. "From the 9th to 19th of August 1944, the 52nd GTBr took seven PoWs and eliminated 225 soldiers and officers, destroyed one machine gun, captured three cannons, destroyed six tanks, ten trucks, and two other vehicles." Besides the following was listed in the Corps' reports on the PoWs and war prizes: From August 1st to 29th, 1944, the 53rd GTBr eliminated 8 enemy officers, 37 NCOs, 153 soldiers, took 6 King's Tigers and 2 NCOs as PoWs, destroyed one aircraft,12 tanks, 29 howitzers, 130 rifles, 7 sub-machine guns, 20 machine-guns, 4 mortars and 2 field cannons. It is worth mentioning that this was achieved by the units of the 6th GTC without loss of a single tank. It is worth mentioning that this was achieved by units of the 6th GTC, without the loss of a single tank. Enemy losses were later confirmed by Reconnaissance Report #39, issued by the staff of the 6th GTC at 7:00 p.m. on August 16th: "On August 16th, in the Zaraz area, a PoW from the 501st Heavy Tank Battalion was taken. He stated that the 501st Independent Heavy Tank Battalion, which was formed in Germany, received forty new tanks and consisted of twenty King Tigers and twenty Panzer IV's. The battalion arrived in the Chmielnik area two weeks ago. At present, there are no more than 26 tanks with the 501st, the remaining tanks were burned and destroyed. The PoW saw Tiger tanks of another unit, although he did not know the unit's name." According to the 53rd GTBr's commander's memoirs: "Who made the 'kills' and how many, is a difficult question; as tank crews from two battalions (I. M. Mazurin's and A. G. Korobov's), as well as two artillery regiments (the 185th Hovitzer Regiment and the 1645th Light Artillery Regiment), and two regiments of self propelled guns (the 1893rd and the 385th) fired at the Germans. Ground attack aircraft contributed as well. Oskin's crew set three tanks on fire, and destroyed one. Aleksander Petrovich Oskin was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, and Abubaker Merkhaidarov was awarded the Order of Lenin. The other members of the crew also received awards." After the battle, the commander of the 2nd TBn, Korobov, reported that "about twenty heavy tanks attacked the area between my battalion and the 51st GTBr." Where were the remaining King Tigers? The answer is that they were caught in an ambush set by the 52nd GTBr on the flank of the 6th GTC. On August 12th, the 2nd TBn, under the command of Major A. N. Golomidov, set up on the edge of the woods near the village of Mokre, a few kilometres away from Staszów. That evening, the battalion commander called company commander Lieutenant V. I. Tokarev, and after reviewing their maps, ordered an ambush position to be set up. One kilometer away from the battalion's main defensive positions, on the hill covered with bushes, two tanks took up positions. The crews did not sleep during the night of August 13th. Both T-34's were entrenched between corn stacks, and it was almost impossible to spot them. The following is how the course of events transpired, as described by the commander of the 52nd GTBr, Hero of Soviet Union, Guards Colonel, L. I. Kurist: "Early in the morning, an enemy spotter plane (the Russians called it a "Rama") appeared. It flew over our area and then disappeared. Soon after, the enemy commenced heavy artillery fire. The rounds kept whining over our tank crews, and exploded in the rear, at the edge of the woods and near the village. When the bombardment ended, -Tokarev said, - Now Tigers or Panthers will come. - I'll go to the trench, as I can see better from there, and Grigoriy (gunner Senior Sergeant Komarichev), keep watch! Komarichev and Dhzoparidze (the loader) kept scanning ahead, from where the noise of engines was heard. Within a few minutes, armored vehicles appeared from behind the hill, moving from the valley, bypassing the hill, and exposing their sides to the front of our tanks. Apparently, the Germans did not expect an ambush here. - Five, six, seven..., twelve, - counted Komarichev. - Tengiz! Twenty! Do you understand, twenty!!! And behind them there is infantry! - Don't worry Zhora, we're guardsmen! - Pass the anti-tank rounds! Lieutenant Stepan Krajlov's crew saw enemy tanks as well. They let the enemy come closer, and then shot at point blank range. When the Germans came to a distance of five hundred metres, Komarichev and Krajlov commenced fire. Komarichev set the first Tiger on fire. Krajlov destroyed the second one. The Germans tried to reach the edge of the woods. The tanks moved to the left, though it did not help them, and more of their tanks were destroyed. To avoid further losses, the German tanks turned back and began to retreat. They did not attempt further attacks on the brigade's positions The intensity of the battle can be judged by the fact that the Soviet tanks used almost all of their shells. Komarichev and Dzhaparidze together scored eight Tigers and Panthers. Krainev had six "kills:" "While engaged in combat with the enemy, our tank troops eliminated fourteen tanks, more than fifty soldiers, and most importantly, stopped the enemy counterattack." Unfortunately, in their memoirs, neither commander mentioned the exact number of German tanks destroyed. According to the recent book "Germany's Tiger Tanks: Tiger I & II: Combat Tactics" by Thomas Jentz, a week after the battle, on August 21st, 1944, the 501st sPzAbt had twelve intact King Tigers, another 27 required repairs, and six were lost. Jentz's figures are doubtful. On the battlefields near Ogledów, Mokre, and Szyldów, twelve King Tiger tanks were left behind. From the archive records currently available, it appears that the 501st Battalion was routed, and three tanks with turret numbers 102, 502, and 234, were captured intact Tank number 502 was found standing in the yard near a house in Ogledów village. It is not clear why the crew abandoned the tank. Ogledów village was taken during a lightning attack by Soviet tanks, and the German crew must have abandoned the tank and run away. A sufficient amount of fuel and ammunition was in the tank, and according to the records found on the tank, it had run only 444 kilometres. When attempting to start up the engine, it started immediately. Tanks #102 and #502 were commander's tanks, which had additional communications equipment. You can read more about their history here. The Germans analysed their defeat, and von Legat lost his command. The "Battle Call" newspaper of the 6th GTK, described the fighting at the Sandomierz bridgehead as follows: "After first encountering our superior tanks, the Germans created their clumsy monsters: the Tigers, Panthers, and Ferdinands. These tanks are inferior to ours. It was proven during recent battles, where the path of the German retreat was filled with the remnants of Tiger tanks and their other weaponry. The recently-introduced King Tiger tanks did not frighten our soldiers. During the first encounter, our tank crews and artillerymen proved the absolute superiority of our weaponry against the so-called secret weapon of the Germans. Our valiant tank crews under the command of Oskin, Udalov, and Potekha, destroyed a few King Tigers each. The battle results of the Soviet-German front indicate the obvious edge that Soviet tanks have on German tanks. Ours have better cannons, better ground-crossing capability, and better maneuverability." Sadly, such blatant propaganda simply discredited the true victory of the Soviet tankers The reasons behind the Sandomierz King Tiger fiasco include cleverly prepared Soviet defenses and, without a doubt, the high level of professionalism of Soviet tank crews. The Germans failed due to faulty planning and tactics, and particularly because of the direction of the attack for the 70-tonne King Tigers. The need to put the newly designed, but still incomplete "wonder-weapon" into action, resulted in these errors. According to a few western historians, tank number 502 originally had the number 002, repainted later by the Russians. This claim is difficult take seriously. On the one hand, the number of the tank is of no importance; on the other hand, the numbers carried by 501st Battalion tanks can be retrieved from German archives and verified, and it can be shown that there was no tank number 002 To complete the story, it is worth mentioning that the 501st Heavy Tank Battalion (the German name was s.Pz.Abt.501) was formed from two companies on May 10th, 1942, as a part of the 7th Panzer Regiment. The third company was incorporated on March 6th, 1944. The battalion took part in the African campaign, where in May 1943 it was almost completely defeated. Later, on September 9th, 1943, it was re-formed. In the summer of 1944, it was re-equipped with new King Tiger tanks, and assigned to the Army Group "Southern Ukraine," and sent to the Eastern Front. After the fighting near Staszów as described above, the battalion took part in combat near the Pilica River, where it experienced further losses and was pulled back to the rear for reinforcement. In November 1944, it was renamed the 424th Heavy Tank Battalion, and was assigned to the XXIVth Tank Corps. The 101st SS Heavy Tank Battalion was then given number 501.

ULTIMATUM OF SOVIET HQ January 8, 1943. To the Commander in Chief of the German Sixth Army, Colonel General Paulus, or his representative and to all the officers and men of the German units now besieged in Stalingrad The Sixth Army, formations of the Fourth Panzer Army, and those units sent to reinforce them have been completely encircled since the 23rd of November, 1942. The soldiers of the Red Army have sealed this German Army Group within an unbreakable ring. All hopes of the rescue of your troops by a German offensive from the south or south-west have proved vain. The German units hastening to your assistance were defeated by the Red Army, and the remnants are now redrawing to Rostov. The German air transport fleet, which brought you a starvation ration of food, munitions and fuel has been compelled by the Red Army's successful and rapid advance repeatedly to withdraw to airfields more distant from the encircled troops. It should be added that the German air transport fleet is suffering enormous losses in machines and crews at the hands of the Russian Airforce. The help they can bring to the besieged forces is rapidly becoming illusory. The situation of your troops is desperate. They are suffering from hunger, sickness and cold. The cruel Russian winter has scarcely yet begun. Hard frosts, cold winds and blizzards still lie ahead. Your soldiers are unprovided with winter clothing and are living in appalling sanitary conditions. You, as Commander in Chief, and all the officers of the encircled forces know well that there is for you no real possibility of breaking out. Your situation is hopeless, and any further resistance senseless. In view of the desperate situation in which you are placed, and in order to save unnecessary bloodshed, we propose that you except the following terms of surrender: 1) All the encircled German troops, headed by yourself and your staff, shall cease to resist. 2) You will hand over to such persons as shall be authorized by us, all members of your armed forces, all war materials and all army equipment in an undamaged condition. We guarantee the safety of all officers and men who cease to resist, and their return after the end of the war to Germany or to any other country to which these prisoners of war may wish to go. All personnel of units which surrender may retain their military uniforms, badges of rank, decorations, personal belongings and valuables and, in case of high ranking officers their swords. All officers, non-commissioned officers and men who surrender will immediately receive normal rations. All those are wounded, sick of frost-bitten will be given medical treatment. Your reply is to be given in writing by ten o'clock, Moscow time the 9th of January 1943. It must be delivered by your personal representative, who is to travel in a car bearing a white flag along the road that leads to the Konniy siding at Kotluban station. Your representative will be met by fully authorized Russian officers in District B, 500 metres south-east of siding 564 at 10 AM on the 9th of January, 1943. Should you refuse our offer that you lay down in your arms, we hereby give you notice that the forces of the Red Army and the Red Airforce will be compelled to proceed with the eliminating of the encircled German troops. The responsibility for this will lie with you. Representing Headquarters Red Army Supreme Command, Colonel General of the Artillery Voronov The Commander in Chief of the Forces of the Don front, Lieutenant General Rokossovsky

Oh wait i think i get the tone thing, is it like when you said that i'm not making any friends with BTS? Because if that is the tone or whatever your refering to, my posts are missing it. This is not the first time my posts have been misunderstood, and i'll try to clarify more, but at the same time i could do without a bunch of trolling over it. It's never been a big deal to me, but i think this is getting a little to one sided here so i'm speaking up about it. Again, does it say somewhere in the fourm rules that i can never be wrong in a post? For you to tell me to be more knowledgeable before joining a debate is ridiculoous, i could see if i hoped into a thread and started talking about the Flintstones or something way off base, but that is'nt the case. I've seen countless threads where people have made statements about one thing or another and found out later they were wrong and learned a little something from it, is'nt that what a debate is all about? You can't have a debate if everyone agrees now can you?

I also did not call you a gun snob. I said "do not listen to the gun snobs". Looks of a gun do no matter to anybody but them. Kallimakhos, I have very little information on the German attempts to rechamber the guns for 9mm. "Weapons of the Third Riech" by Gander and Chamberlain mentions this was done in 1944/45. This is the companion book to the excellent "Encycolpedia" books on German and Allied AFVs that so many of you all have. Excellent work. The other source I have is Ian Hogg, where he states that they were rechambered and altered to accept standard MP40 magazines. Unfortunately, of course, this negated one of the largest advantages of the PPSh (i.e. the drum). As for using troops like Pioneers and stuff... these were specialist troops. They should not be used on a regular basis if one wishes to play with more or less historical forces. In CMBB formations will be priced (with Rarity on) according to how common they were, which will price things like Pioneers, Sturmtruppen, way higher than they are now (unless Rarity is off). Steve</font>

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong if 2 players playing each other play like that and are having fun. This thread is pretty pointless now that i think about it, because all people have to do is talk over thier preferences and work out a simple agreement. If you want some advise on how to go accurate though, say your the Germans....If you decide to Play as say the Volksturm, leave the setting tab as Volksturm and pick anything it offers you. Same for anything else, you'll notice the difference in equipment offered. Or say if you opted for US airborn, pick only what equipment it offers you under the US airborn tab. For example If you choose US airborn, don't choose Jumbo Shermans to fight along with them, as you'll notice if you keep the Tab on US Airborn, you ll see they do not offer Jumbo Shermans. Also for a betterrr gauge try checking out the scenarios for a better idea, i'm just giving you a quick answer. Also go to the library and check out some books, or surf the web for more in depth. Hope i was of help.

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That was the nice part about the Russian smg, you could drop the thing out the window of a building and pick it up and fire it.

Ok i'm young and still use slang, i can see where that would mislead people, but that is not actualy what i intended to put forward. I'll have to work on that.

I would'nt take to much pass of the reports, they claimed the sherman was better then anything the germans had. The American soldiers went itno the war thinking we had the best tanks in the world. Alot of the Germans simply wanted to copy the T-34 but ego's got in the way of that and they came up with the Panther. INstead of reading propaganda, your best bet is to talk to the veterens who used the stuff. So if your refering to me as a gun snob, i must say you jumped to a quick and wrong conclusion. Thompson Smg's look "cooler then their Russian counterpart,...but if i was a soldier and i had to use one, take a guess wich one i'd be carrying.

I never said the Soviet Smg was not effective, it was very effective. The MG-42 was the best machine gun of the war in my opinion as well. I said it was crude to the meaning of it was crude. The craftmanship was very poor, thats all i meant by crude.

I have a question, because i swore in my post, and took a "tone" you percieved i had and disliked you felt it necessary to tell me your company or something does'nt like me? I don't have a problem not swearing, but should'nt you be a little more courteous? I don't mind having debates and conversations or being corrected if i'm wrong, but i don't think anyone like being talked down to. Instead of acting like an annoying parent, why not just try to encourage more postive posts from people? I understand it's your forum and you can do whatever you want, but to single my swearing out from the rest of the crowd seems a bit over zealos. I did not see anywhere in the rules that all my posts had to have a bibliography of where i got my info from. I don't see the big deal in someone posting about not being impressed with something like a tank or a gun. I've seen un-ending threads about how worthless Waffen SS are in this game, (i don't agree) and people have said much wrose there then me posting a remark about a random smg that i'm not completly impressed with. I'm not crazy about P-47's eaither, does'nt mean they were'nt good. In my opinion you treating my post, (though admitidly not a very good one) as if i was refering to your mother instead of a random smg. So if you want to over react and ban me from the forum over this it's fine by me, i understand that alot of people on here are not fond of my posts, i already mentioned before in posts that if they realy wanted to be babies about it, i would make a thread and take a vote to see how many people minded or did not want me one here, if they won, i'd ban myself.

Oh, and don't ignite the M-16 vs AK-47 debate here, k? Lets just say both guns are good in different conditions. Agreed.

Well where the smg's were most prevelent, was in city fighting. Lets use Stalingrad for an example....what German soldier would not pick up a gun german or soviet and use it there? Supplies did'nt always get to the armies at the exact time they needed them. And i'll end this smg debate with this.....the most prized weapon in Stalingrad was a shovel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thats what i typed so it is'nt confusing, i'm still learning the controls on quotes and stuff to make them look right.

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I've read from many sources that the quality of the PPsH was crude at best. Does that mean it's bullets are not deadly to humans, not at all. The Japanese suffered from not quite up to date small arms and even though the weaponjs they carried were inferior to the US, we still took casualties. The PPsH worked good in human wave attacks, especialy in Lenningrad, but to claim the the PPsH is better then an MP-40 is well of a totaly different opinion of mine. Not only that but the Allies actualy saw the MP-40 as a prized weapon and alot of US, and British soldiers would pick them up and carry them. I've read on numorous accounts that over all the MP-40 was the best smg of the war. The PPhp was a rugged gun, just like the AK-47 are, but the M-16 is still a superior weapon to it. The PPhP strengths was that it could be mass produced at an extreme rate. But the Soviet War machine's mentality of basicly having a disposable army, meaning that the commanders did not care about how mny losses they took, as long as they won, i.e Zhukov marching his army thru known minefields to save time instead of having engineers clear a path. Also i was not aware that swearing was an issue on this forum since i've seen countless times other people include them in their posts. If you want to ban me for diagreeing and not assimilating into others way of thinking it's not a big deal to me. I've noticed that everyone pretty much posts the same on here, wich is'nt bad, they are good posts and nice an orderly, but this is the first forum i've been on. Thats too bad you took such offense to me bashing on your favorite smg. It's just i've heard from WW2 veterens and books that the MP-40 was the best smg of the war.

Buy a gun that is. I think i need a typing class, hehe.

When did i say they should attack WITH their transports? Assumeing your realy not hooked on phonix let me reinterate, i usggested that mabe their transports or trucks should be somewhere on the map, i assume most people would leave them way in the back. Kind of like in Fionn's short 75 rules where everytime you buy a guy, you have to buy a truck or tractor with it.

There is nothing wrong with Motorized infantry, or SMG's, i use them too, but when you mix in a platoon of paratroops, and mountain troops, and everything rolled into one it's just kind of gross in my opinion, i'm not trying to start a movement to ban it or anything, i posted earlier it's no big deal, everyone like to play different and to just let me know ahead of time. I can see your point about Motorized not need transports in these battles. I just started playing on a ladder, but it's not all abouit winning the games for me, it was just an easy place to find cm players that will play ip games.

Those Russian SMG's you speak of with the nice drum magazines were the biggest piece of **** gun produced in the war. You guy think the weld marks on The russian tanks were bad, wait till you see these things. The only worse gun i can think of is that Japanese pistol that could fire if you squeezed the top of the gun.

Will the Matilda II be making an apearence? The U.S was not the only country giving aid to the USSR. They also sent them Hurricanes as well.

Will the Matilda II be making an apearence? The U.S was not the only country giving aid to the USSR. They also sent them Hurricanes as well.

Interesting.....so the Panzer Grenediers were always aware of when exactly they were going to be attacked, they were never ambushed in their transports, and i assume when moving toward an objective, they dismounted from their transports a few miles away and walked the rest of the way? The trucks whether you decide to use them or not, should be on the map somewhere. Did Panzer Grenediers ever have to hop back onto their transports and retreat at any point in the war?