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If I had a £1 for every time I heard that, from those I have managed IT projects for, I would be very rich. I will leave it to Elvis to decide if he wants to adopt your suggestion. Maybe it's really easy....

Eniced73 has valid concerns and if they can be addressed then you are more likely to get your wish to play more CM games Vs humans. If you are running a tournament scores do matter to the players. Let's hope with some tweaks it can be enhanced.

Hmmm how would you code that? Would you ask Charles to code that in the game ahead of any other work? Are you asking for some one to manually review each tourney game at the end? BTW - I do get your point but the CM games and the scoring system just might not suit tourney play. FOG2 is I think the top tier of tourney play and they have the best of breed approach to many of these issues. I am glad Elvis is looking at that to see what can be done if anything. FOG2 has player to player comms nailed. At the start of every turn you get a text message area to read what the other player has said to you and then at the end of the turn you get the chance to reply and send text back. This was clearly designed and implemented into the code. FOG2 has a clean method to deal with players that don't send turns and allocates points to those players that did send turns in a timely manner. (Not sure if this is code for the PBEM module - which is what Elvis is checking (I guess)). So yes it is unfair on those players that did not get any turns sent to them, in effect they are likely out of contention. Yes it is unfair for those players that don't enable a CeaseFire before the tourney round ends, in effect they are likely out of contention. The round ends on Wednesday morning I had hoped a simple e-mail would help lift some players out of one of the issues, but we are dealing with different support teams, different time zones, different views on how to achieve things, different works schedules and workloads... Such is life... We can offer solutions but they have to be able to be implemented. I hope in round 2 I get a completed game but who knows I could be paired with someone who gets frustrated that they are out of contention and just don't bother playing... Such is life... (1st world problem compared to some other serious **** happening at the moment around the world...)

Thanks it's a limited number of customers and hopefully not seen as spam. Fingers crossed

Pity as it is super crucial information that if not communicated will affect the enjoyment of the customers playing the tournament. Without that information some players might not feel like it is worth continuing. FOG2 uses tournaments to drive up player engagement and they seem to have a gold standard of how they clearly communicate the scoring and way the tournament works. Anyway all I can do is flag the issue. Cheers

Great a reminder e-mail on Monday would be very useful and could really help folk especially if it clearly lays out why doing a Cease Fire will help both players. BTW - I got the other e-mail and yes some folk won't get it or even act on it but the 80/20 rule applies and even in worse case 20% of those getting the e-mail will be in a better position or it could be 80%. So worth doing please... Cheers

I am not sure Elvis can do anything about players not undertaking turns. I think it would need coding and I bet that has not been done. With FOG2 the system assess who has not sent turns in a timely manner and awards points to the player that has. For those not aware of how FOG2 handles it here is the standard text for every tourney. https://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113282 While this is not perfect as folk in the wrong time zone can have more time clocked against them it does at least keep those who send turns back quickly in with a chance of getting into the top group of players. I would hope that Battlefront would do something similar if at all possible? As for the Slitherine message system it does work but only if the oppo has it set up to forward e-mails to them or they bother to check the forum system. As many folk don't even know there is a forum message system this is why it does not work. Look on the top right of the Slitherine Forum page to see notifications and messages. As the person playing has set up a Slitherine user name you can try and contact them that way.

@BFCElvis Hi not sure if you have seen the thread lately and could I suggest an e-mail is sent to all players a couple of days before the end of round one. Along the lines of Dear Player you might not be aware of the scoring system being used which means that if the scenario has not been completed it is in both players interest to take the Ceasefire Option before the end of the round at 08:00 UTC 25-10-2023. BOTH Players need to have taken the Cease Fire option and turns processed for this to take effect and for Both players to score maxium points. Of course if the files can be processed as an assumed Cease fire by the system then no need, but I bet that has not been coded so it is at least fair to warn everyone via the e-mail reminder. Just my 2p... Also please can we update any new Tourney invites text to clearly explain how scoring works if the scenario is not completed by the end of the round?

Thanks Andrew, I have found a way within in Slitherine system to e-mail the oppo I hope he picks up and sees my e-mail. We are averaging a turn a day and have I think 16 left to do plus or minus so it seems like we will have to do a CF... This really does need to be clearly stated in the Tourney text if it is not there?

Thanks for the response, not sure what 3-1 outcomes mean? So what you think is that it's better to CF to get more points. As I have no idea who my oppo is and I can't get the in game chat working not sure if my oppo knows that. Also it's not mentioned in the tournament text, if what you are saying is the best way to resolve not completing the games, which it really should be IMO.

Hmmm what happens if players don't do a ceasefire and the round ends with turns left to play?

From my memory marking mines doesn't disarm them so if you move troops into marked minefield they can still die... Is the in game chat working and if so what key is it? I can't make it out on text on my computer as too small... And old age...

You only had two choices on where to put the AT gun so it was always going to be open to a planned hit. The situation would have been avoided if the Germans had better choice on deployment zones. But as it's mirrored both sides are affected. As for delaying turns in game X so you learn for game Y the only advantage is you learn the map, and see what works. Not really an issue as this scenario has been available for years so you can load it up at will to play test the best approach. What should have happened was that new unreleased scenarios created with decent set up zones. This however would require effort that was obviously not available. So it is what it is. A long time ago I ran one of the ROW tournaments and we were able to get scenario designers to create specific ones for the tournament. Easier then with the old scenario design tools before CM2 upped the skill levels required.

Just seen him say on BBC news this morning that he never said that and that he has not flip flopped. Apparently journalist misunderstood him which is possible.

Hmmmm this didn't age too well. I will await my morning coffee to see where the clown show goes next. (BTW the UK clown show is also in full swing...) Bill give me some hope that the numpties have a plan... Please.... Night Night

Yep a bit of thought and a few tweaks on where and how the Germans can set up would be good. Also if anyone did a pre-planned hit on the US set up zone that would be a bit bad and we will never know if that is how they scored the points for a victory - very cheesey and could have been prevented with a bit more thought... Meanwhile I am travelling and have an inherited laptop with an AMD and Integral Intel card and I managed a few turns but the loading has broken. I have tried to force the AMD video to be used but it fails. The 100% load works, I get to the password screen and it then just churns away and does not load. I waited 20+ minutes yesterday and just gave up. So I am hoping when I get back I can use my desktop to finish the game in the allotted time. @BFCElvisIn FOG2 Tourneys you are on a chess clock and if the game is not completed you get penalised if you don't do turns fast enough. Is that happening in this tourney?

Am I being dumb is there a way to see how long each scenario lasts? I have in my mind 30 minutes but not sure where that came from?

Thanks Suzuya... I had limited time last night and saved the tourney turn and could not find it today... A tad annoying as in FOG2 you can save a turn in progress and get back to it. Also a tad annoying is thatI have to re-enter password for server every time - FOG2 saves it so no typing again and again... 1st World problems.... But good to know it's not me being dumb...

Sorry typeď this quickly last night, I should have made it clear it was for a tourney game.

Is this possible? It looks like I have to do the turn in one go and submit, but maybe I am getting it wrong?

Right a bit more on topic and I was lucky enough to see Sir Anthony Beaver being interviewed by James Holland at "We Have Ways Fest" this weekend and he was being asked about the research into his Stalingrad book. An excellent interview and might be on line at some stage. Some points that caught my attention that tie into the current war. He mentioned that during his research at the Russian archives that he stumbled upon all the reports back to Stalin and that Stalin had demanded to know the whole truth warts and all... This was a gold mine for the book and gave a pretty good view of the reality of the situation to Stalin. I wonder if x years’ time will we find that Putler is being told the truth warts and all? Did it really help inform Stalin’s choices? We think Putler does not know the truth and he might do things differently but maybe now he knows the truth but he can’t change his choices and as noted is doubling down in the hope things will change… Sir Anthony also mentioned how poor the food was at the canteen of the research place – his Russian researcher used to say he was too spoiled. But what he did get a laugh from is that he used to get excellent hot dogs from a certain person who fell out of the sky a while ago… That was a name we were not expecting to pop up in a Stalingrad talk… Sir Anthony also made a big point about the Soviet brutality and how this really has not changed from WW2 to modern times. He talked about the feral starving Russian kids that were tempted by Germans for crusts of bread to go and fill their water canteens at the river. The Russian snipers were ordered to kill the Russian kids…. Quite a few other horrific examples were given and nothing has changed in Russia in regards to brutality… A couple of tankers Waitman Beorn and Hamish de Bretton-Gordan gave at times an interesting talk and touched upon issues in Ukraine. On a WW2 note a (then)18 year old Tank driver by the name of Richard Aldred gave a very entertaining talk about his experience in Normandy driving a Cromwell… One to try and find on the WWW when it might appear… Here is a newspaper article about the veteran... https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/history/day-cornwall-veteran-aged-98-7472744

My guess the Boer war and WW1? Am I right.... Am I Am I.... DARN TOO SLOW.... Doh!!!

Yuk!!!! I have just had my dinner! Book a room you two... ARE WE THERE YET????

Or some background threshold in which Russia was told if you do X we will do Y has been breached. Could be plenty of reasons for the release that doesn't fit your statement...

I am now looking for ignore button. Please gents can we keep focus on Ukraine and stop the rabbit holes. BTW There are others that I am close to pressing the ignore button on (when I can find it....)