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Boy, might as well send a division of troops into the area. Sending a carrier group there, militarily, would not be too different than dealing with being in the Persian Gulf - we would have to be willing to shoot Russian stuff down and destroy any threatening systems and bases - Gulf of Tonkin, WW3 style. How long would it last, the Carrier Group? I bet it could hold out quite well, but with casualties. One can be certain we WON'T go there.

Yes, and I do agree it is one ultimate goal, to scare them into 'obedience', but will it work? The people of the Ukraine might not like that. Protests could happen if they felt anything real come of it, and depending on how widespread and reported they are, a political threat to Moscow. I am reminded of the 56 Suez crisis - Britain's last Imperial gasp - and a gross miscalculation, though certainly the folly of 56 was realized much faster.

Or, it could be as the Russian people have become more affluent in a long term 'peace' with the West, they might not like the direction this is headed, and the Gov't may suffer its ouster. No doubt the neighbors are concerned about their freedom, but even the Bear can't take out the Ukraine, and they certainly cannot expect this do more than enhance the resolve of the prior WP nations. Russia's 'Us or Them' conversation with the US is not going to go well for Russia, I think. Condi is in her element here, and she can go toe to toe with the 'Ruskies in Diplomatic Combat'.

Sadly, all too true.

"Welcome to Cold War 2.0" I could not agree more - this is the first incident of that new Cold War that marks it as inevitable.

It does seem that Georgia started this, but Russia was hoping it would. As to crushing Chechens - small enclave - took a long, long time. I think a long time commitment in Georgia would of wrecked the Russians. Russia might have blinked on this one. Defending SO was one thing; trying to take and cut off Tblisi was another. As to Americans finding things on maps, I bet the Average New Yorker could not find Georgia, USA on a map

We have heard all this before....if Russia were to push too hard, they might get into real trouble. If they thought for a moment they could get completely away with it ala 56, 68, then Georgia would be completely crushed and no amount of US/Euro political influence would stop them, but they have stopped. This goes well beyond military policy, as we all know, and Russia is mistaken if thy think their only source of being taken seriously is to practice war. The article we are discussing does have one inherent huge factual error - it claims that The former Warsaw Pact was part of the Soviet Empire. It also slights the Baltic States, who the US never recognized as part of the Soviet Empire - a collection of States that were never part of the Russian Empire and should of been set free after WW2. We all know the history of those States. (By the way, I agree the article is on the viewpoint of days gone past and is alarmist at best.) Now, I am not trying to be all gringo, but one should not think the US is without options, even military ones. But these words below remind me of a certain cast of characters all throughout history - words that cause an awful lot of trouble post under estimation. We would not support entering Russia, but we would support our new formerly Warsaw Pact allies, which the Russians dare not attack - they could not handle those States inherent forces with US aid backing them up. I think the Russians know that. =================================================== Does it matter? Nope! For all it's capabilities, the US military is stretched thin and even had it not been, there is no way the American public would support a confrontation with Russia. Even with the most optimistic, pro-Western, anti-Russian lens, only a fool would expect such a confrontation to be easy for the United States. And Americans have no stomach for blood, unless the cause strikes very close to home. Most Americans probably couldn't find Georgia on a map, much less care to die for it.

That is quite a good article, if obvious to anyone, which is what SSGT seems to be saying. It also contains little specific 'fact' - it is editorial. I'd like to know what Bush is thinking - if he is thinking. Today we are told he has ordered C-17s to deliver aid to Georgia - aid that might be better, for the needs of Peace, to have been delivered by UPS, not the USAF. He is poking the Bear - never a good idea. Bush is dangerous - the sooner he gets out the better. His complaints against the Russians ring so hollow - he is guilty of everything he pins on Putin and Friends. We have all seen these scenarios in the past we read about, and the Balkan Wars of the 90s.

No I did not. Kettler is on my list now.

One more thing Kettler, on this new forum I was hoping for a new start, but it was YOU who started Trashing ME, so get off your high horse.

" Are we clear?" Uhoh, here comes the threats. If you can't win the debate, shoot those who disagree with you. So Stalinist... BTW, Kettler, using 10 dollar words only gold plates the tinfoil.

Kettler, I hate to break the bad news to you, but your 'proof' is so full of holes, it is no proof at all. All laws have exceptions. Hell, if you did not ignore the Laws of Physics, then your pseudo-scientific believe system would not work. RV, (and all of ESP) for example, violates the speed of light. Your wording of your counter proof is horrid - it says 'It is common sense to refute what I (Kettler) say.' The claim I am boorish and all that is not provable at all. That is an opinion, not a 'fact'.

No one said he is full of baloney. Just questioning his fiction part and its relevance to the discussion. The Hughes book does look interesting.

I am not threatened, despite your fantasy need to be thinking I am. You are a clown, I am the straight man, and you are too funny! Nonsense needs no Proof.

Mind control over the Internet - gotta love it! Here, phishy, phishy.

So, back to my question...

Kettler; Your 'anti-proof' in the Lollipop Cocoa Puffs Universe is the proof of the Reality Based Universe; so my Quick Easy Dollar goes to my being correct! Thanks.

Kettler; What direct confrontation with you? Did you RV that? All I did was question the veracity of the nonsense you enjoy. Just trying to help! I mean, this IS a discussion board, is it not?

I know Kettler's Law: "Anything that can be explained with common sense and is observable is a lie."

Remote Viewing using Google Earth; http://geimint.blogspot.com/2007/07/russias-typhoon-ssbn-fleet.html

Kettler, Had you been Reality Viewing, you would know I have been on this board several days before you came back.

Complete Fiction - how does that help this discussion?

Moore's Law - I wonder if he knows that one. "[faking images]I'm told it's much harder to do with an object in motion than in a single still." And, why? Well, moving film is a collection of stills, so you'd have to doctor each frame. Fuzzing it up helps.

12-15 out of tens of thousands? That's some frequency - well within 'chance', and indicative of nothing. Mr. McMoneagle is self impressed with fantastic childhood memory recall, but that is not unique; http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/05/07/miraculous.memory/ I know a lady like this; a college friend of my wife. She is married; the poor guy BTW, I did just watch the guy on this show: National Geographic Channel Naked Science program "Telepathy". Amazing bunch of correlation - after the fact.