Stalins Organ
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I'd argue that with you...except it seems too important........
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Accidentally? Perhaps you missed the bit where I noted that archery was obsolete for war but not for sport?? That was my entire point you doofus - nice of you to gloss over it like that
Others you note: Waggon wheels - obsolete for transport, but apparently not for a view of Central Park. Liners - obsolete for transport across various ditches, but pretty good for a cruise in the sun.
I think perhaps you accidentally noticed that your argument was drivel and accidentally decided to slide out of it by adopting my point and then attacking me for daring to have it - if it is asinine for me to have the idea how come it is brilliant for you to adopt it from me?!
I guess the "S" in JonS today stands for "Slipperyer than a well oiled weasel"!
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Rubbish - it means it is going to stay a minority.
If archery is obsolete as a sport then so is running and equestrian, since most people take cars now, swimming because boats and aircraft are better ways to get across bodies of water, shooting 'cos nuclear bombs are better and high explosives have killed more than bullets, all forms of manual power boats because power boats do it better, and all power boats because helicopters are a more recent invention.
Feel free to give more examples of things that are obsolete in such fashion.....
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Archery is obsolete as a weapon of war, but not as a sport.
Being a minority does not make something obsolete - it makes it a minority.
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What conclusion? That I would like more information to come to a conclusion? That's the sort of conclusion more people should leap to IMO!
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If the summary can only present the amount of ammunition mentioned on a couple of pages as Travers' evidence of "folly" then IMO there's no need to buy that particular work!
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Lots of archers in the world still using longbows.
What is amusing is how many of the skills are recently obsolete and relating to the electronic age - in general society we don't know what went obsolete in the 1800's (for example) 'cos none of us were around to note it!
Irony isn't obsolete tho - check out the entry for "Identification of obsolete skills"
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Aff they didn't damage any trawlers eiether AFAIK - the trawler losses I know of were from mines.
john I have no trouble with hte conclusion teh Turks had ammo left - but it is a long leap from there to saying that moer assaults "would have been folly" - I'd like to know a lot more about why they think that, given the ineffectiveness of the turkish artilelry vs teh ships up to that date.
Certainly the ships weren't doing much damage either.......but they didn't have to - only 1 thing was important - could the trawlers sweep the mines? If the shore batteries weren't hitting ships then they'd eventually run out of ammo, the trawlers would sweep the mines, and the fleet would get through the straights.
Now to modern sensibilities a fleet in the Sea of Marama looks liek a sitting duck - but there are considerations regarding the nature of het Ottoman Empire that most people probably are not aware of.
For example it was centralised to an extent we would find difficult to believe a country could be - almost everything important had to come from Istanbul - and the Sea of Marama was its highway to Anatolia - cutting off Istanbul from the Asian part of the Empire means no reinforcements and no ammunition to Asia. Some could have gone across the Bosphorous.....but not nearly as much as otherwise.
Also the Sultan asn't actualy all that keen on war, and neither was the general population - a few 6" shells anywhere near the palace and he's gone - either out of the war, or out of the city (possibly causing a revolution by fleeing) or both.
the Goeben is also not a major consideration - it is outgunned by any 3 pre-dreadnoughts - it often fled from Russian ones, and hte sea is limited in size so it lacks space to make best use of its speed - there is no flank for it to get around an allied fleet to attack any transports coming behind.
And hte consequences of Turkey out of the war by mid 1915 are just stupendous - Russia can export its grain from the Ukraine and pay for its war, Bulgaria does not stab Serbia in the back and likely joins the allies (those were 2 specific aims of Churchill's plan.....), Rumania does not get over run, the Arab revolt becomes something competely different - agaisnt the British and French mandates perhaps.
I leave it to you to consider other possibilities.
So continuing the attack, at least on the surface, seems like an extremely worthwhile gamble - the rewards are immense. I'd like to see a lot more information about why it might be considered "folly" before leaping to support such a position.
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The amount of ammo they had was pretty much irrelevant - they weren't hitting the ships with guns anyway. Most of the guns were obsolete and lacked effective fire control.
The ammunition he is refering to is probably that for het guns at the narrows - further into the straights and where the main 10 minefields were. these were not engaged on the 18th, but AFAIK there is no reason to expect they would have been any more lethal than the outer guns....that is to say not at all.
However the nature of the minesweeping forces was significant - IIRC they were North Sea Trawlers, manned by civilians, who pretty much point blank refused to sail into any gunfire at all. With maximum speeds in the order of 7-8 knots, and with a 2-3 knot current against them that's probably a reasonable attitude forsomeone used to catching cod! A few sweepers had already been destroyed on mines, so any extra risk was not really what they had signed up for!
Paradoxically the sinking of the old battleships freed up hundreds of military sailors who replaced the civies as crew for the trawlers.
I seem to recall (I did a paper on the possiblities of the 18th of March, since lost it alas) also that the RN contingent included a couple of handfulls of destroyers (10-12?) that were equipped with 1.5" sweep wires. As I recall, normal sweeping used 2.5" wire to break mine chains, but 1.5" was adequate to find mines and lift them, but they would then remain hung on the wire until destroyed.
also something thatis often forgotten is that ANZAC cove was notwhere the ANZACs were supposed to land - they were supposed to land across about 4 miles of beach that went almost as far south as Gabe Tepe - a mile or 2 south. There the peninsular is low and flat across its entire width - note the lack of terrain shown on the map from there to Maidos on the opposite coast on the map linked to.
AS it was the troops who were supposed to land on the south part of the beach (9 & 10 bn's) actually ended up on the northern section of ANZAC Cove!
There were more Turks there defending it, as it was an obvious landing area, but at least the terrain wouldn't have screwed them as badly!
Just another cock up among many
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Galleys did come ashore every night in normal circumstances - but usually stern first - since the stern shape is better suited for getting off again.
There were some assaults on defended beaches - such as the Spartans at Sphacteria - see chapter 11 especially where a Spartan captain said they must ".....run them boldly aground, land in one way or another, and make themselves masters of the place and its garrison" and then (ch 12) forces his steersman to run his ship ashore....and gets killed for his trouble!
I don't know of any others off hand.
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Royal Navy Assault Crossbow Bombardment Barges ? no of course not - they were used on a different beach, couldn't have been used on Locksley Beach, and had had no effect anyway .....
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Relevant questions would be whether the funnies had an effect where they were used, and, as at Omaha, how could they have been used where they were not.
Barbed wire and machineguns were the game changers in WW1 - pretty much every other development that occured in land and air warfare was in response to the defence advantages of those 2 combined.
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There's nothing wrong with good power point presentations - both of them are fantastic!
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Are they as good as the ones in Troy? Where they hit the beaches, dropped the ramps and then everyone got machine-gunned by arrows.
I thought Troy had them leaping of the sides of things that did actually look like galleys - RH's ones are straight out of D-Day....with oars!
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The new one, of courswe, has little to do with the myth anyway - RH helps out in the Levant on crusade, D-Day landing craft powered by oars to invade England, etc.
pure bovine waste material - and the moron director saying it is the "msot historical yet".......sigh! :/
However you can't blame RC for the script - he didnt' write it, he's not directing it.
I blame him for being a puffed up over hyped @#$@% (rhymes with banker)......he's 1 kiwi we are happy the Aussies have
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Overhead cover seems to be the basic counter - however it is difficult to construct in the field - and AFAIK the insurgents are not well known for their engineering prowess.
However simply undercutting a ditch to provide some might be enough - what is the pattern of fragmentation fo these things? Do they project lethal fragments back along the line of flight?
If not then deeper holes and/or vertical walls might be enough.
Hiding in buildings with roofs doesn't count since they allies probably don't call in airstrikes on those in the 1st place (unless they are isolated & sure they are empty of civilians (I hope)), plus putting a round through the window means the roof isn't much use!
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Try hydrogen?
Rleete - your needs may not be met by an electric car's performance , but 95% of mine would be - rush hour traffic here is slow, not fast, so 100kph is fine - my little 1300cc roller skate hardly ever goes faster than that even when ther is no traffic, and my driving is almost all confined to 2 adjacent cities and the dual-carriageway connecting them.
For longer trips & picnics in the country I have a lovely 3 litre V8 that does fine thanks...but is normally garaged over winter!
Cost is cdertainly an issue - it will be a long time before lifetime costs (capital and running combined) of a new electric car compare with the $2k it cost me to buy a Festiva & it's petrol sipping 7l/100k on regular gas*.
* - more modern cars do as well or better and are much more comfortable....but they also start at $30k and go upwards from there.....
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bogoff - buy one get one for free
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Wasn't the battle of Cape Glucester quite late in the scheme of things - late 1943-early 1944?
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Hmmm, I'm not sure who is obfuscating things here - I was pretty straightforward in what I was saying :confused:.
You might think it straightfoward - but as a sample - this bit of yours is filled with jargon -
"From what it sounds like though, Wall Street was guilty of under collatoralization of their derivatives and were, in effect, naked on those positions. If the derivatives were fully collatoralized then there wouldn't have been a collapse as the derivative hedge positions would have worked as they were supposed to. "
"under callateralisation" - they borrowed more than they were worth?
"naked on those positions" something in the karma sutra??
"derivative hedge positions" - ???
Sorry but IMO you are not being simple when you are using "insider speak" to explain anything to someone wh is not an insider.
I managed to find an article from today that is a pretty good discussion of what I was trying to say (although I would still quibble with a few things that he says)http://article.nationalreview.com/433223/the-senate-and-goldman-sachs/daniel-krauthammer
"But if the performance of different horses had statistically significant correlations to economic factors as various as crop production and manufacturing growth, mortgage rates and technology stocks — as the Goldman securities in question most certainly did — then a wager on them would not be a speculative bet but rather an informed investment engineered to hedge risk and optimize an investment portfolio. "
Only if yuo could accurately measure the effects....which I'm pretty sure we can not and half the problem is that ppl think we can, and/or jsut ignore teh ones we can't?
I guess maybe if I have time I'll type up a very simple explanation of how derivatives are used in the market - perhaps that will clarify things a bit.
I, for one, would appreciate it
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Lest we think that it is only China that can have production problems - Johnson & Johnson have had to recall 43 over-the-counter children's medicines produced in the USA
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I was expecting/hoping posters on this forum would not be in obfuscation mode at all!
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It's not that the con job was complicated....it's that the explainations by the technocrats are complicated too!!
Proflowers is really bad people
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