SgtMuhammed

If you shoot someone and hit something vital they will drop. If you don't they wont it doesn't matter what you hit them with. If he is still moving you shoot him again. Normally you don't even wait to find out if he is, you shoot till you are sure he is no longer a threat. And yes Infantry is to Close with and destroy the enemy through fire and manuever. Destroy being the military term for, render combat ineffective. If that is accomplished by driving the enemy away or making him surrender then you have accomplished your mission. There is no manual that says every time you engage the enemy you will kill him or you have failed. I actually prefer the bigger round but like I said, anything will kill. Quickly if put in the right place and slowly if not.

Shoot it my way if you make one. I was able to visit several battlefields while stationed in Germany. I made three trips to Hosingen and the Bastogne area to research my scenarios. I also got stuck in Grand Camp Maisey (formerly Grand Camp Les Baines) right in the middle of Utah and Omaha beaches. Had to spend a week in a 3 star French motel during the off season. Pure hell I assure you. I think it makes the trip really special when you can pick out a specific location and feel what was happening there 60 years ago. I was able to stand on the Dasburg bridge and imagine 2nd Panzer advancing past me. Walking around the woods near Hosingen I could imagine the uncertainty as the K Co heard the 26th VGD flow around them but couldn't see them through the fog. I highly recomend anyone to do the same.

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Actually the intent when you engage the enemy is to render him unable to prevent your manuevers. There is no doctrine about killing or wounding or scaring or tickling. Smaller rounds are not only lighter and can be carried in greater quantity but they can be fired faster and more accurately. Soldiers are trained to aim center mass, which will normally dissable anyone you hit. There are stories of people being hit nearly everywhere with everything and surviving. These incidents and incidents that people claim to hear get repeated and repeated until they become bigger than life. One of the Rangers in Somalia took an RPG through his body but lived for several hours, does that mean the RPG isn't effective. The Rangers also talk about a Somali who was on the recieving end of several bursts from an M60 and still left the battle under his own power. Sometimes people are just hard to kill.

I'll second that. So... how about those Cobras.

There are so many other AA systems out there that this isn't going to make much difference.

To each his own.

I don't know, being in the middle of a 155 battery during a fire for effect is pretty uplifting. Or being at the recieving end when the Washington National Guard decides to fire on the wrong range.

GAGA, Bravo. I couldn't believe it. The drama, the misery, the fear. You have truly captured that you are there feel. More please. By the way, this does sound interesting.

Then again I have read a couple accounts of various tanks returning from battle with flute like main guns from taking several ATR hits. Depends on the crew and luck I guess.

Recruitment goals are changed all the time because of projections of when guys will be getting out, training cycles, etc. Just pointing to a raw number can be very misleading. I'm not saying who is right or wrong but just pointing out that numbers can be made to say anything.

Nitrogen is so inert that it was almost named lifeless. Yes it can be made to react but not by any mechanism present in the human lungs. Like any gas that displaces O2 it can cause suffocation with the attendant symptoms (confusion, drowsiness, etc) but only in 100% concentration can it cause you to rapidly pass out. This is not a situation likely to occur in any combat vehicle under any concievable circumstances. [ December 05, 2005, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: sgtgoody (esq) ]

I used to envy the Germans because of the G3 but even they are switching to smaller rounds. So are the Russians. The thinking is that you can carry more rounds. Personally I would like to fire one really good round as opposed to three ok rounds. Still, hit location is much more important than the size of the round. There is actually a quick fix to this problem, bring back the older M16A1 rounds. The new rounds were designed to punch through Soviet body armor and have a penetrator in the tip and a hotter charge so they are more stable. The old round would begin to tumble as soon as it hit anything but air, the new round will punch right through a soft body. Kind of off thread but did anyone see the Mythbusters test of firing into water. The high velocity rounds, starting with the M1 and going all the way up to the Barrett .50, failed to penetrate 2 feet of water while an old Springfield Model 61 and a 9mm Barretta penetrated at least 5 to 9 feet. Interesting.

I was thinking a modern knock-off of the 1919. kind of an expensive toy. Like you often seen at these shows. Not just the barrel is short but the reciever is as well. A .50 would have dwarfed that little girl.

Looks to me like a .30cal.

I would be very interested in this one. My father-in-law was wounded there while serving with 2/60 INF. If you need a tester let me know. The email in my profile is good.

That's why I believe it will be more of a beam rider. Either finding a laser designator or radar or some other. A passive sensor with a simple guidance package. Leave the thinking up to the man picking the target.

I don't know Peter, you haven't been that bad.

Actually Peter may not be too far off. One of the attack modes that Apaches use is to have a Kiowa paint several targets with its laser and then lob a volley of Hellfires at them. The Hellfires lock onto different lasers and head for the targets. I could see something along the lines of a beefed up AT4 that could be fired in a high arc in the general direction of a target being lased by someone else.

Same here. My tactics are usually about as subtle as a 16lb sledge. They do tend to work though.

Not relavant, but then again what is, but when I was in Berlin we used to love the live fire the Beehive rounds on the 90mm. Once the range was clear we would head out to recover the darts. They looked cool stuck into your cammo band and cammo cover. At least to a bunch of bored infantrymen.

I see the Zunis are still as wildly inacurate as ever. Interesting film but nothing new. You could show the same stuff from a firing range.

From the description I think it was one of those civilian armored vehicles. The reports said they were in a large box-like vehicle in the middle of the convoy. They have been using specially made civilian vehicles to transport VIPs and such.

I have actually had to use the roll-over drill. My 113 rolled off the side of a hill when we slid during a highspeed turn. I could see that we were about to hit the edge and so dropped down out of the TC hatch. My driver hit his seat release and dropped down a split second later. I grabbed onto the column that the TC seat is connected to and held on for dear life. My driver wedged himself in his compartment somehow and we both rode through a couple rotations, can't remember how many. Luckily I was one of those who enforced the load plan and all the big things were strapped down but a few loose tools and our rucks and stuff were flying about. Good thing we didn't have any dismounts. I remember staring at my driver and thinking "Great, the last thing I am going to see is his ugly face." We were both a little bruised and battered but otherwise ok. The only things that actually broke were my favorite thermos and the track's heater. I was just lucky that nothing caught on the hatch as I was getting down. I only had a light flack vest, a MILES harnes, and my CVC but I have had all of them get hung up before. Anyway, rolling isn't fun but if you get inside your chances of survival are pretty good. There were three other roll overs while I was with that unit and no one was hurt. Tragically though, a friend of mine was killed when the side of a fighting position collapsed under his track and he fell into the hole. He never had time to get inside and was crushed against the other wall. There was also an M1 driver who was killed when they hit a pond they didn't know was there. The M1 nosed in with the turret turned so that the driver couldn't go out the back and he couldn't get his hatch openned either. The kid drowned before they could pull the tank out of the mud.

I heard that they are busy fighting cross border raids from Atari. [ November 26, 2005, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: sgtgoody (esq) ]